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Last Post 07-17-2012 11:34 AM by JessicaInJapan. 33 Replies.
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    Ok so I just wanna say that I know that they are doing their job, but grrrr! I am frustrated. I took my car in for a diagnostic, found out I had to replace the radiator and water pumps, and all hoses on a car I bought in September. Frustrating enought. Whelp,husband went to take the car in today for my appointment tomorrow, (I called to ask if my husband could drive it over today since I don't feel well and didn't want to take the little one up there and walk back in the morning) and it won't turn on. I call the autoport to arrange a tow. I go up there to hand in my keys and they ask what the problem is. I said I don't know, maybe the battery? It won't start and none of the lights turn on. So the guy whips out a book and tells me it will be (at first) about $100 to replace the battery. I asked how much to make SURE it was the battery before spending that much. He tells me $25 for a diagnostic...I just had one done, isn't it listed on the sheet? He says no, that was just for the overheating. Oh. I thought that diagnostics checked for all problems but whatever, I know nothing about auto repairs. So then he says if it is the battery it will be over $200...wait, didn't you just say $100? Oh, he was looking at the wrong one. Gotcha. Then he gathers up my paperwork and I remind him of my appointment in the morning, and ask if he could estimate the repair time for me. He looks confused and asks me if I ordered parts. I say yes, several weeks ago and it's costing me just over $1200 (just about as much as the dang car). He looks down, walks off and grabs a sheet and starts stapling stuff together. I'm nosy and trying to look over papers as he is doing this and notices something is off on the price...why am I paying close to $1600...instead of $1200? Ooops, he didn't bother to CHECK the paperwork and had grabbed someone else's paperwork (which if not checked would have had something completely different done on my car). Awesome. When he's done stapling he asks me, no freaking joke....do you want us to do it? I asked him, do what? Put in the radiator and pumps. My jaw dropped. Really? I have an appointment tomorrow for JUST THAT REASON! You JUST freaking read that I had an appointment! ARGH! 

    This was my first experience with the Autoport garage, and I hope my last. But from what I've been told a lot of people go in there for one reason, and walk out with eight reasons why they need several thousand dollars worth of work done on a car. A good friend of mine went there last week for an inspection and was denied because of wrong size tires....even though the last inspection done with same tires on passed. It's going to cost her a couple hundred to fix that, and she needs *dat da da da* a new battery. Even though she's never had any issues with her current one.

    Again, I'm sure they are just doing what they do, but it's frustrating to have a five minute conversation turn into a twenty minute, why aren't you paying attention/why is the price changing every five seconds type of event. I had to vent. I fully understand that my car is NOT new, and is old, and probably has had this problem for awhile ( I asked why it wasn't caught in inspection for the base before I bought it and I was told it isn't part of the inspection ).  I'm not mad, or ungrateful, just frustrated with the whole experience. I'm seriously worried I'm going to go to pick up my car and have to have MORE work done on it. 
     

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    Yep. Sounds like a typical visit to the autoport.

    Sorry, I really wish I could say something more positive but in all the time I've worked on this base (both tours) yours is a pretty typical story.

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    I was stationed in Yokosuka in '82, and again in '95. Your story could just as well have been written way back then. All these years, and nothing has changed. The reputation is that Autoport "troubleshooting" is: (1) Replace a part. (2) If that doesn't work, replace another part. (3) Customer pays for all the parts & all the labor regardless.

    The wise consumer will learn of competent, reasonable garages within walking distance of the gate. They might charge a bit more per any given repair, but in the end you pay far less. If it's not too late, think about canceling the whole shebang on base, and get your car to a Japanese garage. I know with towing & all, it might be impossible.

    So who was the schmuck who sold you such a lemon?

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    If you have the time and would like to learn to DIY, get the parts and take it to the hobby shop. In a few hours, with the help of the staff you could have all of that knocked out for parts and the cost of the space approx $3 per hour if I remember correctly.

    Heck my wife just learned to bleed brakes and change brake pads on our car. I was supposed to do it, but was on extensive travel. She had a great experience and learned a lot! Now she can't wait to go with me on weekends and get her hands dirty as well.

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    Amy, that picture is too cute! Thaiguy it is too late. I already paid for the parts. Gaijin Detail, that's a good suggestion! I'll have to do that if any other problems pop up.

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    Have fun learning about your car and think of all the money you will save stateside! Of course my wife already knew how to change oil, flat tires, drain coolant.

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    I am having a similar problem. Took my car in because it was running rough and shuttered when we have to start on a hill. Got a call that said that it is was a transmission issue and that I need to take it to the dealer. When I asked why this issue was not caught during the inspection they just looked at me and gave me no answer. When I asked for them to call up the dealer and make me an appointment they said that I just need to take the car in and then call them so they could talk with the people. Why can't they just make an appointment for me? Now I have to figure out where the closest Honda dealer is and try and get my car fixed.

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    im not even going to go into detail bc its BS... but my husband ended up just buying a new car instead of getting his old one fixed bc they wanted so much money. then told him he needed tires on this one... which they were just put on last year.300 per tire.. HA right. and they took out the flare and said a bunch of other things needed to be done ( that in our opinion didnt) ..were no expert but we arent stooopid lol

    They shouldnt have the same people diagnosing your car as the same people fixing it.

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    This is why I buy beaters in Japan. I've had 2 cars: One for $900, which I sold almost 2 years later for $475, and my current one for $1300 which I will soon sell for $900. If it breaks, no great harm; I would refuse to do any repairs. But mostly I sell them before JCI is due; I make sure the buyer understands they'll have pay for the inspection + insurance & the car is sold as-is. I never have a lack of buyers at those prices.

    Total cost to me after subtracting what I get back for selling the car... About $22 per month, and I never pay for JCI or repairs.

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    Just an FYI for future auto problems their is a guy who does auto repairs and he can even come to you. I personally haven't used him but have had a few friends who did and they all said he did a terrific job. He has an ad on Yokosuka4sale or you can look up Yokosuka Auto Repair on FB.

    I too have had numerous bad experiences with the auto hobby shop. My next time I will be calling Yokosuka Auto Repair.

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    Just an FYI for everybody. As referred to above, the Autoport is a ripoff when it comes to buying tires, and among other things as well. But, NEVER buy tires from there. go to Tire Racks website and buy from them. They ship to us over here, and it is WAY cheaper even including shipping. I needed 2 new front tires for my car, so I went in to the Autoport just to get a quote. I have an RVR, so a normal car, and they quoted me $278 PER TIRE. I literally laughed when she told me, and said thanks and walked out. I went home, bought 4 brand new tires off of Tire Rack's website, and the total including shipping was $340.

    DON'T BUY TIRES FROM THE AUTOPORT!

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    I have to say this makes me SICK. I am over here reading all this aloud to my husband while ranting and raving. It just makes me SO angry when people take advantage of other just because they can.

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    I recently had a blower fan go out on my Mercedes I took it to the dealer and they wanted 954. for the blower and another 500. to install it.  I searched online and found one for my car in the UK I paid 89.00 for it and it's new.  Then I googled it online and found a video explaining where it was and how to change it so I did it myself, it took 30 minutes.

    The moral of the story......... get the parts outside of Japan for vehicles made outside of Japan. 

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    Read my story that I wrote about here:

    Is the Autoport the most corrupt organization on base?
    http://www.japanbases.com/forums/aft/2761.aspx

     "Dont underestimate the power & change Japanbases.com
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    They shouldnt have the same people diagnosing your car as the same people fixing it.

    OBVIOUS conflict of interest. Who is in charge of the Autoport anyways? MWR? Navy Exchange? I'd like to know what chain would have to be gone up to make changes so people stop getting ripped off. Over heating so you have to change your whole cooling system? Not likely necessary. I'd like to know what tests were done to determine that and that it wasn't something as simple as a thermostat or as severe as a blown head gasket. I'd also like to know what certifications, if any, these people have. Is there anything like a ASE cert. over here? This is a known issue people have, why is nothing being done about it? Luckily I know how to do my own repairs and I encourage everyone to go to the hobby shop over these people. I bet if you ask around there someone would be more than willing to do most of the work while you assist. Saving a ton of money for you on labor and unnecessary parts. 

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    Darren does great work for a VERY fair price!!! We have used him a couple of times and would recommend him to anyone that needs auto repair!!


    https://www.facebook.com/YokosukaAutoRepair

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    man, the Autoport just took a beating! lol. Thanks andi-mac for the link to an alternative mechanic. I might need him soon.

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    I was station in Yoksuka in 98-02 and was told almost every year for the annual required inspections on 2 vehicles that I needed new brake pads. I was not the only one, this was told to about 80% of the folks I asked about this. during my final year there, after the Autoport told me I needed new brake pads the 3rd year in a row, I took my Toyota van off-base to the Toyota dealer and had them check the brakes. They said nothing was wrong with my brake pads and overall my brakes were fine. I took this report to the Autoport manager who backed his techs and since the base inspection was REQUIRED, I had no choice but to get the brake pads replaced.
    After that I filed a complaint with CNFJ ( and I learned several others had done the same in a relatively short amount of time) and while it was 3-4 months later, just before I left in 2002 there was a local news story that the Autoport had been investigated and it was found they were telling people they needed brake pads when in fact they did not. Supposedly the involved techs were fired as well as the Autoport manager. BUT, now I am back in Japan, though in Atsugi, and some things I have heard lead me to believe the employees/manager were NOT fired, but only transfered. It is very possible that their practices started up again by others or their transfers were "temporary".

    If you think the Autoport (or anyone else on the base) is not being straight-up, send a comment to CNFJ AND CNRJ. If it warrants an official complaint, then do that as well. The military leaders are in charge of everything on their bases, they track the comments/complaints and generally look into situations that they are getting pinged on.

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    Posted By MonsterMommie on 05-15-2012 5:21 PM
    Ok so I just wanna say that I know that they are doing their job, but grrrr! I am frustrated. I took my car in for a diagnostic, found out I had to replace the radiator and water pumps, and all hoses on a car I bought in September. Frustrating enought. Whelp,husband went to take the car in today for my appointment tomorrow, (I called to ask if my husband could drive it over today since I don't feel well and didn't want to take the little one up there and walk back in the morning) and it won't turn on. I call the autoport to arrange a tow. I go up there to hand in my keys and they ask what the problem is. I said I don't know, maybe the battery? It won't start and none of the lights turn on. So the guy whips out a book and tells me it will be (at first) about $100 to replace the battery. I asked how much to make SURE it was the battery before spending that much. He tells me $25 for a diagnostic...I just had one done, isn't it listed on the sheet? He says no, that was just for the overheating. Oh. I thought that diagnostics checked for all problems but whatever, I know nothing about auto repairs. So then he says if it is the battery it will be over $200...wait, didn't you just say $100? Oh, he was looking at the wrong one. Gotcha. Then he gathers up my paperwork and I remind him of my appointment in the morning, and ask if he could estimate the repair time for me. He looks confused and asks me if I ordered parts. I say yes, several weeks ago and it's costing me just over $1200 (just about as much as the dang car). He looks down, walks off and grabs a sheet and starts stapling stuff together. I'm nosy and trying to look over papers as he is doing this and notices something is off on the price...why am I paying close to $1600...instead of $1200? Ooops, he didn't bother to CHECK the paperwork and had grabbed someone else's paperwork (which if not checked would have had something completely different done on my car). Awesome. When he's done stapling he asks me, no freaking joke....do you want us to do it? I asked him, do what? Put in the radiator and pumps. My jaw dropped. Really? I have an appointment tomorrow for JUST THAT REASON! You JUST freaking read that I had an appointment! ARGH! 

    This was my first experience with the Autoport garage, and I hope my last. But from what I've been told a lot of people go in there for one reason, and walk out with eight reasons why they need several thousand dollars worth of work done on a car. A good friend of mine went there last week for an inspection and was denied because of wrong size tires....even though the last inspection done with same tires on passed. It's going to cost her a couple hundred to fix that, and she needs *dat da da da* a new battery. Even though she's never had any issues with her current one.

    Again, I'm sure they are just doing what they do, but it's frustrating to have a five minute conversation turn into a twenty minute, why aren't you paying attention/why is the price changing every five seconds type of event. I had to vent. I fully understand that my car is NOT new, and is old, and probably has had this problem for awhile ( I asked why it wasn't caught in inspection for the base before I bought it and I was told it isn't part of the inspection ).  I'm not mad, or ungrateful, just frustrated with the whole experience. I'm seriously worried I'm going to go to pick up my car and have to have MORE work done on it. 


    OP i feel your pain. I also posted my issue here http://www.japanbases.com/forums/aft/9028.aspx. I cant beleive they just get away with stuff like this, sad to see im not the only one getting screwed over by the autoport

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    Autobachs by Livin is good. Reasonable prices, fast work done right the 1st time. Most spek some nglish. Google translate app helps too!

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    Autobachs by Livin is good. Reasonable prices, fast work done right the 1st time. Most speak some English. Google translate app helps too!

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    Autobachs by Livin is good. Reasonable prices, fast work done right the 1st time. Most speak some English. Google translate app helps too!

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    you know what? with the exception of prices being steep in these base due to several reasons, the service is good as far as i know. if your car has problems it has problems, stay on top of your vehicle maintenance.

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    Keep telling yourself that Sauce. You might be one of the lucky ones. :o)

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    What documentation is required by VRO if you get an off-base car inspection? Do I have to go to a car dealer off base, or can I go to any mechanic/garage in the area? Is there a sample of the paperwork required? And, no, I do not want to use Mr. Auto.

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    We are forced to use the on base location where I am at, we share many of the same issues with their abilities and lack of expertise also.

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    Sushikings - unfortunately we do not have that option on Yokosuka. VRO will ONLY accept the autoport.

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    Besides, the off base inspection will cost you hundreds of dollars. Say what you will about the Autoport, but doing their inspection instead of the Shaken inspection is a good deal. Just because they identify an issue doesn't mean that you have to have it fixed by the Autoport. You just have to provide the proof that you fixed it for the re-inspection. At least that's the deal here in Yokosuka.

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    The solution is to purchase a vehicle after it has been inspected and JCI'd then sell it before it becomes due again and repeat if necessary. It may cost a little more up front but it would greatly reduce the opportunity to get burned on a deal.

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    I have to share my recent story about them.

    Last month, I bought a used car from the Lemon Lot. I discovered the hard way that the back door doesn't close easily and long story short--I ended up with a dead battery the next day.

    The guy that jumped my car (Japanese road-side assistance provided one-time free through insurance company,) said that my battery was both dead and very old. I took it to Autoport and I got the rude guy (you all know which one I'm talking about!) who told me it would take 3+ hours to determine if it is the battery or alternator. However, he called me 15 minutes later and said I needed a new alternator AND battery to the tune of $600.

    I told him to hold off. The next day I called and spoke with the female that works the counter. I explained to her why I was puzzled about the quick diagnosis. I told her I'd like another mechanic to check. She called me back an hour later and said I only needed a battery and my alternator is fine. It's been over a month now and my car is doing fine.

    I am sending an ICE comment now that I'm settled in our house. Honestly, not that I expect much to come of it.

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    Posted By ~Amy~ on 07-13-2012 4:57 PM
    Keep telling yourself that Sauce. You might be one of the lucky ones. :o)


    you might be right though, i gotta agree

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    Posted By Vanilla Blue on 07-16-2012 1:17 PM
    I have to share my recent story about them.

    Last month, I bought a used car from the Lemon Lot. I discovered the hard way that the back door doesn't close easily and long story short--I ended up with a dead battery the next day.

    The guy that jumped my car (Japanese road-side assistance provided one-time free through insurance company,) said that my battery was both dead and very old. I took it to Autoport and I got the rude guy (you all know which one I'm talking about!) who told me it would take 3+ hours to determine if it is the battery or alternator. However, he called me 15 minutes later and said I needed a new alternator AND battery to the tune of $600.

    I told him to hold off. The next day I called and spoke with the female that works the counter. I explained to her why I was puzzled about the quick diagnosis. I told her I'd like another mechanic to check. She called me back an hour later and said I only needed a battery and my alternator is fine. It's been over a month now and my car is doing fine.

    I am sending an ICE comment now that I'm settled in our house. Honestly, not that I expect much to come of it.


    Vanilla Blue, When you ICE them use NAMES, DATES, and TIMES. Also, ask for a response. MAKE THEM RESPOND.

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    Thought I would share NEX's Service Operations Manager's response in the sake of fairness:

    Thank you for taking the time to submit your comment concerning the issue you had at the Car Care Center.  We only improve as an organization when our customers take the time as you did.

    Let me explain how the process should work:

    When a vehicle comes in with a dead battery we first check the date to see how old it is. Then it is charged for 30 + minutes and rechecked to see if it is taking a charge. If not we recommend replacement. We also check the alternator voltage to see if it is working properly.

    When your vehicle was checked by the first mechanic the alternator output at 13 volts and the battery checked under 8 volts. The alternator normal voltage is 13.5 and the battery should hold at 12 volts.
    The second mechanic had the same readings but considered the battery was causing a draw down from the alternator and recommended to change the battery first then check the alternator again. After changing the battery the alternator was charging at 14 volts and did not need replacement.

    I can assure you our mechanics have been given additional training on alternator and battery check to ensure that this does not happen again.  I hope you can accept our apology for what you experience on that day.  Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any addition questions or concerns.
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