You know who you are.  How dare you to tell my wife to mind her F...ing Buisness after she caught you putting your dogs in the trunk of your car. 

Wow...that's really, really...impressively bad form by who ever that was.

I would have gotten their license plate # and reported them to security...and taken a pic of it for proof

Someone needs to be arrested. More details please.

Was it the Quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles by chance?

I don't know what the laws are concerning live animals but that doesn't sound too legal assuming it's not a hatchback. In hind sight you should have taken pictures, at this point it may be hard to prove without some water boarding and a confession. I think I would track them down anyway and visit their command along with law enforcement at a minimum.

Extremely rude and an animal abuser. Sounds like we have a winner of the loser jackpot.

If you can --Yokota has a good point. Track them down and talk to the command (granted, this was a Sailor and not a civ or spouse). We don't know the whole story, but I'm assuming this was someone putting two dogs in a sealed off trunk?

At the very least I hope they read this!!! Disgusting.

If this occurred on a base I believe someone can reach out and touch them irregardless of their status in the same manner that the base/post commander can restrict all AD, Civ, and their Dependents from certain businesses under their umbrella. If they are SOFA sponsored that sponsor can be held accountable for their actions. If it occurred off base I wouldn't be surprised if the Japanese laws were even more severe but the burden of proof may be a problem.

The good thing about on base and notifying those individuals is that maybe there is already a chain of events and this can be added to their file if the command is made aware of the issue.

Where I am at we recently had similar issues with disrespectful verbal altercations and the command was notified and as it turns out that individual has a long history of that type of abuse. I understand all of that information will follow that PCS'ing individual to their next assignment as well.

Currently all of the services are downsizing and removing the few bad apples first means there will be one more position for those doing the right thing and wanting to stay in.

I would think your wife's friend would have to file the report, since she was the one who witnessed it. Anything else would be heresay. Anyway, I hope she does it. Putting a pet in the trunk is unbelievably cruel.

I'll be the devil's advocate. Why is this cruel? It's not hot. Do you think the dog is scared of the dark? It probably keeps the dog calm. Was it a large dog? Why is it any different than putting a dog in a cage? The inappropriate response was kinda crappy but, hey.... she should mind her own business. he/she wasn't putting a baby in a trash can, and if it really was that bad she should have called the police.

well, I not one of those people that take care of thier pet like a baby, but I do feel that if I wont put my child in a trunk, I wouldnt put my dog in one either.

..amd to add, a dog in the trunk is everybodys business! thats whats wrong with the world now. Everybody looks away becuase its not their business...

Posted By DR on 12-02-2011 1:21 PM
I'll be the devil's advocate. Why is this cruel? It's not hot. Do you think the dog is scared of the dark? It probably keeps the dog calm. Was it a large dog? Why is it any different than putting a dog in a cage? The inappropriate response was kinda crappy but, hey.... she should mind her own business. he/she wasn't putting a baby in a trash can, and if it really was that bad she should have called the police.

It's the same thing as putting them in a box and tapping it shut, not a cage. Would you do that? No. And this box is moving with an exhaust right next to it. Plus, who knows how far they were traveling --I don't remember trunks having vents.

People should never mind their own business when it comes to abuse. I don't think this is the case where you can play devil's advocate, no disrespect --only thing I can think of is IF maybe the trunk was open to the rest of the car. Or if it was like a hatchback then we have no issue.

Yeah it's bad. But how do you feel about people who ride around with their dog in the back of a pick-up truck?

I do see the argument here with Yin and Yang.

It all comes down to how each of us view animals I suppose. How is it alright to kill them and make food and clothing out of them or just shoot them for sport and it's not alright to place them in a trunk? Those of us that consume animals would all fall into that scenario too. Just because one is cute why does it have a higher priority and value from society?

This is why we create laws based on our society values and beliefs, we are just a rock throw away from a place where they have dog farms and are harvested for food.

It seems like the majority of the people on here dislike the notion of having pets in the trunk so that would imply that in general the values from that small sample of people disapprove those actions but I do see the argument. Does anyone know if we have laws concerning the treatment of animals that apply here?

I would think it is a form of abuse towards animals based on my values.

I don't know how being stuffed in the trunk effects an animal but seems not to have had any ill side effects on my wife.

What would be really cool is if you could teach your dog or wife how to pull the emergency escape handle that opens the trunk.

The car was a Honda (which model/color...My wife and her friend cannot remember).  It wasn't a hatchback.  The young sailor shouldn't have sworn at my wife and her friend.  It is animal cruelty!  They didn't want the DOGS not dog inside their car for the fear that they would destroy the interior.  If I get a chance, I'll bring this incident to the base CO.

It is cruelty. And NO, they should not have sworn at them. The young Sailors (and some older) seem to just have the automatic response of flying off the handles when confronted. It's pretty disgraceful --'specially when it's towards a spouse. Say what you will about spouses but they deserve respect just as they should respect the Sailors. It seems that both sides don't think that way anymore. Sad.

Anyway, like I said before, we don't know the whole story but I hope something comes of this.

Look at it like this... a cage is designed to safely confine an animal. A trunk is not. There may be tools, solvents, sharp edges, electrical wires or whatever else that can be a hazard. You cannot view the animal to ensure its welfare. There's no telling about the ventilation or air quality. What has been carried or spilled in that trunk before? It is callous and reckless, and anyone who treats their pet this way should not own pets. An apt punishment would be to lock the offender in the truck for a similar amount of time and then see how charitable it seems. But alas, we are too civilized for that...

Just because people are dependents of a military member, does it make them good people.

There are a lot of dirt bags in the military, and military spouses as well.

Many people are stubborn, and dont want to hear how they should act, live, or dress...

Some people were brought up in bad homes, and were never taught the right way to do things.
Whats bad is those traits are being passed down through the generations to their kids, and their kids kids..

I just got an account and wanted to chime in on this.  It was my wife that witnessed this animal cruelty act.  But it's more than just that.  "The guy told her to "Mind your own fu**ing business."  Not just "Mind your own  business", but added "fu**ing".    You just do not talk to anyone like that, especially on a military installation. 

As far as he knew she could have been the Admiral's wife.  She could have been a senior military member herself.  They knew he was a young enlisted sailor due to his decal.  He's a loose cannon.  He spoke like this in front of his wife and 2 young children.  Disregarding everything!

My wife did go to the base security and reported this.  The were certain the wrote the license plate number down correctly but the security folks could not get a match on it.

Trust me, I will be looking for his car with that license plate and if I find him it will be hard to keep my cool, but I am a professional and will simply write he's decal number down.

Thanks for the updated info. Some people are just wound so tight; it's probably the single biggest thing I don't miss about the States.

Funny how the plate doesn't match. So despite all the grief that people get from VRO about registering their vehicles, sounds like local records are deficient. Or, the perp works at security and his buds are covering for him.

I know people who eat, or have eaten dogs. I have eaten a dog. I ate a snake. I ate a turtle, a deer, alligator, and etc. etc.

Simply stated, on that day I'm sure that those dogs would have been completly comfortable and able to breathe just fine in the trunk of a car which is ventilated towards the front and back through several holes and the seats. The guy was rude to respond in that way he did, I would have said don't worry they will be fine or simply have ignored the lady who thinks she knows the best for a man's animals.

Love the profile pic DR. Where was that taken at?

Break

This topic is a touchy one. I think that we can all agree that the response given to this lady was completely inappropriate. Regardless of how you feel about animals, I applaud this citizen for standing up for what she believes in and caring enough to try to make a difference. If people would just think for a minute before they act like morons, I think that this particular situation would have been a little less hostile. If you really think that what you are doing is right, stand up for it and use the civilized forums that we have to solve the issue. Liberal use of the F-bomb does nothing but prove your own ignorance.

Profile PIC is the Permit doing a blow in the river at Portsmouth

That's a lot of white water! Cool pic though.

Jeffery Dahmer ate people but that does not make it right.

I dont really think that it matters whether the lady who got obscenities yelled at her was the admirals wife or not. Being the Admirals wife doesn't give you the rank, sorry. I would care one way or the other, but I would yell obscure words at her either, nor would I put a dog in the trunk of my car, lol.