So I was driving onto Yokosuka base the other day and the security guy at the gate said "I just want to inform you that you aren't allowed to wear those shorts because they don't have a hem on them, but I'll let it go this time." What's up with this?!?!?!? I know they are strict about frayed jeans and stuff but mine weren't they just didn't have a hem on them! 

Were they cutoffs? I don't understand.

But I had a friend stopped the other day for wearing too short of shorts (trust me, they were "short" but weren't I-can-see-your-cheeks-short). But she was wearing opaque tights underneath! No skin showing... I mean, c'mon.

Meanwhile the other day I witness three young ladies walking out the gate all wearing skin tight skirts that rode up when they walked. Oh yeah, we saw cheeks! And it was mid-day --not drinking hours.

Hahahaha.....ya, welcome to Yokosuka!  What?  Did you honestly think you were free to wear what you want on this base?!    Oh no, not on THIS base. 

I guess it just really depends on who's at the gate? I'm surprised he said something to you while you were in your car, though.

I am all for dress codes!!!! I (let alone my children) don't want to see butt cheeks, underwear, bra straps or major cleavage- nor do I want those to portray what Americans find acceptable in foreign country's eyes, hence the need for a dress code!

I do wonder though, if some people get called out on it and some don't due to "physical features"....

I wonder if this is the same guy? He seems to be new and walking out if the gate he jogged over to inform me I put my sunglasses on my head too soon-ehh not face, head. I was past the magic line. But I apologized. On the way in he must have changed positions- checked my id, looked at me, my 7 year old, peaked into baby stroller and made a sound like "uhhh huh. Okayyy then enjoy your evening which sounds normal but he gave me 3x over and acted strange. I just thought it was nice he's into his job, lol.

You know what I'm for? Parents enforcing those dress codes in their teenage daughters strutting around with short skirts, dresses, and shorts with a parent lagging behind. I saw this girls ass and she was maybe 15. And there goes mom and her cruising by the ffsc not stopping for colors. I stuck my foot out of annoyance but thought better of it.

Posted By Shannon W. on 07-02-2011 12:48 AM
I am all for dress codes!!!! I (let alone my children) don't want to see butt cheeks, underwear, bra straps or major cleavage- nor do I want those to portray what Americans find acceptable in foreign country's eyes, hence the need for a dress code!

I do wonder though, if some people get called out on it and some don't due to "physical features"....

That's just it though... nearly everyone I've heard about being stopped has been coming onto base, not heading into town.  So apparently it's okay to show your bum to the Japanese, but not on base. 

I can understand checking them on the way in but I guess in my mind I thought it would only be logical to at least check walkers on the way out.

Posted By Shannon W. on 07-02-2011 12:48 AM
I am all for dress codes!!!! I (let alone my children) don't want to see butt cheeks, underwear, bra straps or major cleavage- nor do I want those to portray what Americans find acceptable in foreign country's eyes, hence the need for a dress code!

I do wonder though, if some people get called out on it and some don't due to "physical features"....

Shannon, I see Japanese girls off base wearing much more revealing clothes than some of the women on base....especially short shorts and miniskirts.  I saw a Japanese guy on the train the other day that had holes in his pants that went all the way up his thigh. 

Although, I personally don't want to see some guy walking around with his drawers hanging out, as long as everything is covered up, whom am I (or the base officials) to judge their fashion trend. 

This is the only base that I've been on where they're so uptight about what people wear.  Sometimes it's just downright ridiculous.  No one has ever said anything to me, but I know plenty of people who have been lectured over the silliest thing (similar to the OP). 

And, as Amy pointed out, most of the time they are saying something to people coming on base, not going off base.....so, the whole "image thing" for our host nation goes out the window. 

This may be a military base, but I don't think we should give a basic right of freedom of expression just because it's a base.  Other bases aren't this bad.....why is Yokosuka? 

http://tokyofashion.com/cute-japane...-harajuku/





http://tokyofashion.com/skull-nails-short-shorts-in-harajuku/

I didn't even think of that perspective, Yoko-girl... and I think the OP's situation was extreme, silly and a waste of time for both parties

I do, however, agree with a dress code on base. Bases are places of business, sure there are homes and amenities for families but if one doesn't like the rules they can move off base and do their shopping out in town.

I am curious though, what are some of the dress code policies on base?

Is there an actual written dress code? If so, does someone have the link?

All I've seen are the signs in the nex and stuff that says "no midriff, no understand, no too short skirts, no PT gear"

Yes I believe in dress codes because I don't want to see some girls butt cheeks either but my shorts weren't really even short and I thought that was what he was talking about cause I even said my shorts aren't short and the guard so no they dont have a hem on them. They were one of those shorts that are just folded up on the ends? And one of the guards stopped my husband on the way out of the gate because his pants were to long and he was stepping on them! Im sorry my husband is short and he doesn't want to tailor every single one of his jeans! And he said "According to....blah blah blah" so I guess there is an actual code written!
I think the base is just worried about how we present ourselves to the japanese but some of the japanese girls look like straight hookers!
So from now on if we want to wear jeans with a slight fray in them or my husband wears one of his jeans that are too long then we just walk out or on the side where the Japanese National is on. They never say anything to you!
But does anyone know the exact code?

Morgan, I totally agree! I don't want to see buttcheeks but the Yokosuka base are going way too far with these dress codes. My neices were told their shorts were too short (which they weren't) and they said something that made sense to me. They said they felt like they were still in school following their schools dress code. The freedom to wear shorts and have a little fashion has been taken away even if it has been sold from our very own NEX.

I tried to find the dress codes but came across this article from stars and stripes....
http://www.stripes.com/news/new-dre...ers-1.7318

I found this link but still no direct dress code found?!?!?!?

http://www.stripes.com/news/sailors...-d-1.21764

Other bases aren't this bad.....why is Yokosuka? 

Heh, I think you just answered your own question there Yoko-girl.  It's Yokosuka. 

There are two links on the CFAY website (Home > About > Policies) for civilian dress code regulations. BUT, they don't work... I'd like to know the specifics so I know if I'm in the right or wrong before I get mad, lol.

Okay, wait. I found a .PDF for one of the broken links from the CFAY site.

CNFJINST 1020.3B - Civilian Clothing Regulation/Policy:
http://www.cnic.navy.mil/navycni/gr...063702.pdf


EDIT: Okay... I know people have been stopped for this...

b. Shirts/Blouses
(4) Sleeveless sundresses and blouses and similar styles of female clothing are considered to be appropriate attire.

(6) For women, modest halter-top, strapless top, tank top and t-shirt style shirts/blouses (which expose no more than one inch of the midriff) are acceptable.

(2) Skirts/dresses/shorts shall not expose any skin above the middle of the thigh.


Here's your issue about the shorts... I guess I still don't understand about your shorts...

(4) Skirts/dresses, trousers, blue jeans and shorts that have not been properly hemmed are prohibited.

Thanks, Elizabeth!

I personally found nothing stated within the link wrong. Any of the "not ok" clothing is clothing that shouldn't be worn on base and I have seen these standards on many other bases- some enforce them, some don't. To bad they don't have anything on there about pajama pants though. I have seen many people do their grocery shopping at the commissary in the States in PJs! I doubt anyone in Yokosuka gets away with it but it happened all of the time in some of the Southern bases

I think the whole pants without a hem means cutoff shorts or jeans that where the bottom hem is missing and is frayed, which is understandable... still not sure how the OP's shorts fell under that...

I think that this instruction just wants people to dress decently. It seems to me like American popular culture promotes young women acting and dressing like Brittney Spears, Kim Kardashian, and Paris Hilton. On the same side, guys are encouraged to wear pants down to their knees so everyone can see their boxers. It's all over TV, music, and the Internet. Why should we subject our kids and the Japanese to that here. Is it hot right now? Yes it is. But that doesn't mean that we should all be running around in our underwear out here. I know if I went out and about wearing shorts that barely covered my tighty whities that someone would say something to me. At least I hope they would.

The instruction is a CNFJ instruction. So Sasebo, Okinawa, Iwakuni, Atsugi, and Misawa should all be enforcing this instruction as well.

By the way, Harajuku is pretty well known for it's fashion weirdness. Posting pictures of people from there is kind of like comparing people on the street in Hollywood, CA to just about anywhere else in the States.

Lmbo ! Pjs. Ridiculous. This lady would drop her kid off AND pick her up in a ROBE! walked from housing to school in this! Now they have those jean sweatpants ( no offense if you own them) but my husband and I joked about this and one day he sends me a text with pic and says " no they do not look like jeans and not everybody can wear them!" it was a girl standing in checkout and i died.

Posted By felinious on 07-02-2011 10:58 PM

By the way, Harajuku is pretty well known for it's fashion weirdness. Posting pictures of people from there is kind of like comparing people on the street in Hollywood, CA to just about anywhere else in the States.

Felinious - I'm sorry, but you are wrong.  I see Japanese girls like that all the time around the Yokosuka area wearing shorts just like the ones in the picture.  I live off base and take the train quite often, so I see it.  Do you live on base?  Maybe you aren't exposed to it like I am off base, but you are wrong because I see this fashion trend everywhere, not just in Harajuku.  You're just not going to have photographers coming down to Yokosuka to take their picture like they would in Tokyo.  It doesn't mean the girls don't dress that way throughout Japan though because they do.  Just like in America, the young, Japanese girls follow magazine covers and try to mimic it.

Yoko-girl - I am not saying that you are wrong. I do get around quite a bit in Japan and I am not exactly new here. Although I have yet to actually see any girl anywhere in Japan (except in the media) dressed quite as extreme as the first picture, I know that there are a lot of Japanese that don't follow our dress code and why should they? It's their country and they aren't ambassadors as we are. The point of my post is that we should all dress modestly as the instruction asks us to and not blame the sailors who are doing their jobs and enforcing the Admiral's policy.

Robes? Sweats? Cut-offs? These people are rank amateurs. It's time to remember those people back in the good ol' U S & A whose freedom we're defending. We've been too sheltered too long in our little military cocoon.

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/cate...ion/page/2

Too true! Lol.

Thaiguy how did you find that picture of me, #3 aka "biscuit bottom?" also, pretty sure that's harajuka fashion next page over with the girl carrying strawberry purse and some funky leggings. Probably came from Livin right here in Yokosuka.

They really are cracking down on this. I wish I could say, "They leave all the thin pretty girls alone and pick on the girls with [blah,blah,blah]." But every time I see it happening it's to the thin young girls and younger guys. I'm very slender and young and they still got me for shorts that were "borderline" too short...even though they weren't, in my opinion...but whatever...

Not to mention at the NEX I saw a whole family (two teenagers and a mom) with shorts cut off so short and tight you could see the entire outline of their bottom with NOTHING left to the imagination.

The other night in the Honch, a fight broke out because Shore Patrol told a girl not to wear her shorts out in public again (they were basically skin tight underwear shorts) and she got mad at them and started screaming, throwing fists, and kicking. They arrested her face down right there on the street....all over some extremely tight and short booty shorts.

I like Japan a lot and when I'm not going on base, I wear whatever the freak I want because I'm a modest person and would be embarrassed to show any of my bits and pieces in public. But the Yokosuka dress policy is harshing my Japan buzz. I graduated school, I'm capable of dressing myself appropriately, I don't like being hounded at the gate and having Military Code blah, blah, blah being recited to me just because my shorts may be borderline too short. Oh well, their base, their rules. I'm shopping for a mumu to wear on base....it is WAY to hot to be wearing jeans.....and my household goods aren't even here yet so I'm fresh out of capris..

I think the same dress code should apply to the Japanese locals (girlfriend's of sailors) who come on base to "look" (aka shop) in the NEX. I don't need to see how Ms. Thang got her boyfriend outside the gate if you know what I mean.

I think the same dress code should apply to the Japanese locals (girlfriend's of sailors) who come on base to "look" (aka shop) in the NEX. I don't need to see how Ms. Thang got her boyfriend outside the gate if you know what I mean.

Dress modestly and there won't be any problems

Though it does bug me you can buy the stuff at the NEX but can't wear it on base. That's so strange!

We could start a People of Japan website based on some of the crazy stuff I've seen the Japanese wear. I do get a kick out of the People of Walmart page... I look at it anytime I need a laugh... makes me miss home

Posted By Halo945 on 07-05-2011 5:40 PM
I think the same dress code should apply to the Japanese locals (girlfriend's of sailors) who come on base to "look" (aka shop) in the NEX. I don't need to see how Ms. Thang got her boyfriend outside the gate if you know what I mean.

I know exactly what you mean.

Sweet

if you don't like it..GO BACK TO AMERICA..this is not your country..they "japanese girls" can wear whatever they want. their country, their style, their "goody Baskets" Early return of dependents is always an option! Get over it and get in the gym.

Ouch welcometolife. Your post is a little harsh.

I think regardless of where you live, there should be a sense of decency in someone's attire especially around children. There's a time and place for dressing R-rated. And this is a rant column. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, even you.

The age old stereotype of of the evil asian temptress preying upon our pure young American boys seems to persist in the minds of our virtuous American womanhood. Ill equipped to compete with these seductresses of the east, they resort to villifying their nemesis's with the usual aspersions of ill repute. One can only hope that the next time one of these creatures is spotted trespassing on the hallowed ground of the NEX, we get to see some pics please.

Posted By welcometolife on 07-05-2011 10:01 PM
if you don't like it..GO BACK TO AMERICA..this is not your country..they "japanese girls" can wear whatever they want. their country, their style, their "goody Baskets" Early return of dependents is always an option! Get over it and get in the gym.

Seems like I've hit a nerve here.

Was that you?!

I can only conclude that by your reaction it was you, or if wasn't, you may be a person who dresses similar.

Either way, lighten up.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, chances are, ITS A DUCK.  And if you are a duck, accept it, don't get mad because people are looking at you like you're a duck.

And yes "duck" is a euphemism

O, and if you don't like my POV: DON'T READ MY POSTS

(hopefully I'll get a flame war started)

Actually, if you read the instruction, the dress code does apply to guests on base. Even if they are Japanese. In any case I agree with Hdieyoshi that we must have pictures proving the existence of these poorly dressed Asian temptresses invading the NEX to those of us who never frequent the establishment. LOL

(hopefully I'll get a flame war started)

So you admit your a troll. How nice. To bad we don't have an ignore feature.

I think my biggest complaint is not with the dress code itself, but with the uneven enforcement of it. If base dress code required me to wear one tennis shoe and one high heel every time I came on base, I'd comply....but I'd expect to see every girl on base in one high heel and one tennis shoe.

The only place the dress code seems to get enforced is at the main gate on the side next to Club Alliance and even then it's only a few of the guys.

If I were to come strutting out of the towers, Navy Lodge, or my town home in cut off shorts and a tiny spaghetti strap tank, and strut myself into the commissary or NEX, no one would say a word to me....they might stare, but no one would say anything. If I came into any gate but the main gate, no one would say a word to me.

I don't know if it's lack of training, or if no one really cares and only a few of the gate guys care....or why there's such an uneven enforcement of the dress code. I think that's what really bothers me, not the dress code itself.

PS - The girls I see showing all their shake and jiggle party parts are Americans. Some American girls have some REALLY tiny shorts.

Posted By welcometolife on 07-05-2011 10:01 PM
if you don't like it..GO BACK TO AMERICA..this is not your country..they "japanese girls" can wear whatever they want. their country, their style, their "goody Baskets" Early return of dependents is always an option! Get over it and get in the gym.

Yes, the Japanese can dress however they like... off base.  They should be held to the dress code if they want to go on base.  The poster about the "goody baskets" was referring to seeing it ON base.  Perhaps, you should read more thoroughly before posting. 

I have no problem complying with the dress code because I do dress fairly conservative.  However, I don't like the idea of a dress code for adults. 

I don't care if someone is skinny or fat, dressing like a prostitute is trashy either way.

The double standard exists and until the powers that be decide that everyone must conform to the dress code, nothing will change. Here's a hint to all ladies, super tight shorts never look good. I've seen more camel toe this summer than I would spending a week trekking through Morocco.

Does it seem dumb that they don't stop people going off base only on. Um, if you can wear it off, then what are you going to do when you need to get back on base!! I had a friend who was visiting who got stopped for having holes in her jeans. Well someone should have told her before she left base that she would not be able to get back on wearing them. Someone else in the group had to go get her car to pick her up to get her back on base. Seems like the MP's need to get their act together on this one!!

Well, since we are talking about a fun seasonal topic, I think I will jump the gun and start wondering when they are going to turn the heaters on.

On base, yeah I get it. Military wants to control everybody, so if they say you have to wear a clown suit to go in the Exchange, thats what you do. But OFF base? I am not on the base, so I think base people should mind their own business as long as I am following Japanese law.

I find it extremely annoying that when the Japanese rules are less strict than base rules all of a sudden we have to follow base rules. But when Japanese rules are more strict, it becomes that we are an ambassador and have to follow the Japanese rules. I dont mind to follow the Japanese rules OFF base, I dont know how the base rules somehow get transferred out there to the trains and the parks and the beaches. The next time some dude comes up to me on the train and starts spouting off about some CFAY regulation or other, I dont know what I am gonna do.

Yeah yeah I know, if you dont like the rules of the base, then dont work or live on the base, blah blah blah. So cool, when I am OFF the base, base leave me alone. Deal?

Those pictures are tame compared to what I've seen out and about in Japan ...

Posted By Amy on 07-06-2011 8:35 AM

(hopefully I'll get a flame war started)

So you admit your a troll. How nice. To bad we don't have an ignore feature.

So you've assumed that I am troll becuase i made a statement about a flame war.

My post was directed at the individual who had such a visceral reaction to my earlier post.  Usually, when someone has such a visceral reaction to something, it leads me to believe that they are somehow guilty of being that which is described, esp. in this situation.

On the other hand, this thread was posted in the "Rant about something" forum.  What is a flame war if not peple ranting and raving at each other about their differing opinions and why one is more justified than the other?

I would understand your sentiment if this was posted in the "discuss how wonderful your children are" and I said something mean-spirted towards your child - then I would agree that that behavior is troll-ish as it was possible done to incite and argument.

But seeing as this is the "rant" section of the board I would have figured a little argument about fashion would be fun to take part in.

Guess not.

As an aside (hopefully this doesn't derail this thread) I have noticed that there are some rather uptight individuals on this board. . .

So you've assumed that I am troll becuase i made a statement about a flame war.

No... I KNOW you were trolling because you made a statement about inciting a flame war, that's what trolls do.


Now, had you left that comment off your post I would have simply pointed you that a "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, chances are, ITS A DUCK." is all well and good... except when some nit-wit doesn't know the difference between a duck and a goose. This isn't the US and people here were not raised with the same standards/attitudes when it comes to fashion. It's not rocket science, however people such as yourself can't seem to wrap your brains around that fact and continue to pass judgment. But... since you DID include that statement about flame war, well, it completely invalidated any legitimate points you might have been making in your post.

It really does bug me when I buy a pair of shorts at the exchange but when I'm trying to walk back on base after I just walk off you try to tell me that they are too short? How about the little 16 year olds that just walked off base wearing almost booty shorts?!?!?!? They need to start being consistent in how they enforce the rules around this base. You can't just tell some and not all. Even though the guard was really laid back and said he didn't care, he said other security guards in the future may tell me my shorts are too short. Either you can't wear them or you can? You can't just enforce the rules sometimes. Maybe since I parked my car at the 12 hour parking to walk off base, you should tell me before I walk off that I need to turn around and change my shorts.