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    Does anyone here think its fair to ban all the kids in the youth center from eating peanut products because 1 child  is allergic? Just  asking..
     

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    Its yes and no. Its not really fair to deny every child something because of one. On the other hand the youth center has a responcablity to protect everyone. Its probily more than one child peanuts are a common allergy now. I am having to deal with the same thing in my son's preschool. But the school is going to far as to ban all tree nuts. As some childern can still have their allergy set off by peacans,walnuts ect. Which leaves only one alternitve to peanut butter. Sunflower butter. It tastes like sweet peanut butter and thats about the differnce. Which means I cant pack almond butter,hazelnut butter ect.and Im having to get more creative with things my son likes. It just sucks because I dont have to worry about PB and J going bad in the heat of the morning or classroom. And you know next month when I go to buy a jar of sunflower butter it will be all sold out.

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    Agreed. It's part of the cult of fear - catering to the lowest common denominator that we have going.

    I mean look at it - it involves the words 'child' and 'safety' in there - two almost automatic methods to get people to just mentally shut down and comply with whatever is being directed. Combined, and in the highly risk-adverse GS system, and the results are what you have going here.

     I'm surprised they even allow non-natural fabrics for any of the clothes.

    (But my precious little snowflake is ALLERGIC to polyester... it's simply DANGEROUS to have other children nearby wearing cheap clothes, you MUST force everyone else to comply with MY snowflake's SNOBBERY, er SAFETY ISSUES).

    Now, if you could only figure out some way to make it a security issue and throw in the word OPSEC, we'd have the unholy trifecta in play.

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    A great friend of mine back in in the states has a child with a sever (epi pen worthy) peanut allergy. The school he goes to (he is 8) knows he has the allergy but they do not BAN peanuts. They simply ask her to bring allergy free items for him to have when "treats" are given out. The child also knows what he is allowed to eat for treats and asks if he isn't sure.... he says does this have peanuts in it?"
    This family has 2 kids and they have items that could contain peanuts in the house for their other child. They go out to eat at restaurants that are allergy friendly like Outback or Red Robin.

    They should not ban peanuts but they should EDUCATE everyone including the kids. Food allergies of all sorts are WAY to Common these days.

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    Educate everyone.... Hmmmm.....

    But its so much easier just to tell everyone "NO".
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    Why just peanuts? They're are so many other common allergies --food or otherwise. I gotta agree that this is just the easy way out.

    When I was a teen working at Dunkin' Donuts we simply made sure the peanut covered doughnuts were on the bottom rack so they wouldn't come in contact with anything else or the peanuts wouldn't fall on the other doughnuts... problem solved.
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    Some people have such a severe allergy that the smell, or even slight touch of a peanut product is dangerous to them. And you know kids touch and eat eachothers food... I know it sounds crazy because I hate that I can't pack my daughter peanut products, but because I know someone with a child with a SEVERE case of the allergy, I understand where they're coming from. They can't risk the health or life of even one child.

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    Non peanut eating children can be located at a peanut free table. This prevents the potential "peanut oil smears" that could happen at common tables. I understand the dangers for those allergic, but seriously: peanut butter is a very inexpensive way to get kids protein and is one of those things that most kids will eat. Unless they are going to provide all foods and snacks they need to work more with parents who want to serve their children peanut products.

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    Like mommykate, I have known people with severe allergies. By that, I mean the smell of peanuts across the room causes a reaction where their esophagus inflames and they literally can't breath. It's a life-threatening condition, and "education" or "peanut free zones" don't cut it. I'm the last guy to cater to fear or LCD, but having seen this happen it's truly frightening. It's not a matter of fair or not, unless you want to ban the afflicted child from the youth center. This raises whole new questions of "fair."

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    Is the policy in writing? If so, I would ask for a copy of it then go from there.
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    It's a step away from banning pets. What if one kid has a very bad allergy to cats or dogs and his classmates come to school with cat or dog hair on their clothes? Are we going to start making kids get rid of Fluffy and Spot so the kid sitting next to them doesn't get a rash?

    I know peanut allergies are not something to laugh at, but c'mon, we can't micromanage everything or make life 100% sterile and safe for everyone. Millions of humans survived childhood without peanut free schools.

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    I do understand the "smell" allergy of peanuts, but how does that child survive in the real world. You can't tell me that they just stay in their house all of their lives. I am sure as adults, those with the "smell" allergy works & goes food shopping. We need to do more than just ban things.

    Again, I know people with 2 different allergies, Peanuts and Gulten. These people educate teachers, friends and family on the allergies and have helped change they way some people do things. One is very active in FAAN ( Food Allergy & Anaphylaxis Network) and is the Chair for her local FAAN Walk.

    Eight foods account for 90% of all food-allergic reactions. They are milk, egg, peanut, tree nuts, fish, shellfish, wheat, and soy. Should we ban all of them from the schools???

    Approximately 12 million people in the U.S. have food allergies. That’s one in 25, or 4% of the population. Food allergies are more prevalent among young children – one in 17 under the age of 3 has food allergies.

    While it is true that peanuts can cause very serious reactions, other foods have been known to cause a severe reactions as well. These include, but are not limited to, tree nuts, fish, shellfish, and milk.

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    Maybe myself and the other kids that I went to school with were abnormally intelligent, but when we were in kindergarten/grade school, we knew what foods made us sick, and avoided them. What's wrong with the kids today that they can't recognize foods they can't eat? Is it a problem with educating the kids? People being too lazy to take necessary precautions? Why is it, that everywhere I'm looking now, the majority is suffering for the minority of people who are too stupid/lazy to take care of their own selves?
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    Peanut Free Zones = Good Idea

    Educate the child/teacher = Better Idea

    Kid is so allergic that the smell swells the esophagus to choking = KEEP THAT KID OUT OF THE YOUTH CENTER


    I would have to say that in the instance that the mere smell brings a health hazard then that child is definitely EFM and too EFM to be overseas. A fourth grader just died last month on a "base related" field trip for unknown reasons and he was presumed healthy. For @#$#@$@# sakes, if a child is so allergic that the mere smell of peanuts across the room inflames their allergy they should not be at an overseas, over-crowded facility where their presence is a cause of great concern. I don't want to sound overly cruel here, but that is taking it to the point that I would have to assume the teacher/facilitator is so caught up with worrying about the allergy the child has that my child would be endangered due to their constant awareness of the one.

    A visit to the commissary sounds even impossible for that child.

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    I find this very stupid. I'm so irritated with people worrying about the smaller population that everyone else gets punished for it. I have bad allergies and my husband too. What do we do? We inform people of it, we carry our medicines in case of emergency and we don't come into contact with it. We are so overprotecting our kids it's ridiculus!

    if you have a kid that is so allergic that even just a chance of smelly it gets you sick, then do not allow that kid to be around others in a high traffic area. Why would you put your kid at risk like that? You wouldn't put a child with severly weak immune system in a daycare!

    Parents seriously need to teach their children how to take care of theirselves.

    By the time my child gets to school, she'll probably not be allowed to eat a balanced diet (food allergies), not be allowed to celebrate holidays (because it might offend someone's god), not know how to create music or art (because it's cut due to funding) and not get a good education (because teachers are bad so low and classes are crowded so she doesn't get any attention)....

    ....I'm so angry...I'm gonna stop. Thank you for listening.
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    Wilson - I agree with you 100%. These kids shouldn't be cleared to be stationed overseas, which means that somebody back in the states is "gun-decking" the paperwork at the expense of the healthy kids. Parents need to understand that it is THEIR responsiblity to raise their kids and Hillary Clinton's "It Takes a Village" mentality is ruining our society. Watch your own kids and don't dump them on MWR so you can go over to Purdy Gym and do Salsa Dancing.
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    I actually side with the ban. I am a mom of 3 boys but if I thought even one child could get sick from something that I could prevent, I would do it. I'm for a safe environment. If it was your child, you would want others to show the same compassion. Yes, we should educate the child, but when they are young, it takes time to get the seriousness across to the child and in the meantime we would want to ensure that the child is safe. Nobody said this child had a smell allergy. It was just brought up as another example. We don't know how this child's allergies presents itself. If they are going as far as to ban the product, then I am going to assume it is a pretty severe allergy. Even if they do it out of panic, it is a warranted one. Shouldn't we protect the lives of our children? All of them? Not just yours?

    Then again, I'm deaf and I adhere to the Americans with Disabilities Act laws. If laws weren't in place, I wouldn't have any protection because people tend to feel the one person doesn't justify protection. I support reasonable accommodations. This constitutes a reasonable accommodation. Also, having a special needs child doesn't mean you shouldn't have time to yourself as well. Sorry, I disagree with that.

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    Just thought of this discussion today. Here in Iwakuni, they opened up the base today for a Japanese Special Olympics. So there are all these "special needs" Japanese kids on base, and they all came to the food court just when I wanted to eat. It was a mad house... First of all, they don't know what to order since they're not familiar with Taco Bell and Burger King. Secondly, they don't really have the motor skills so they're all dropping their food and bumping into people.

    It would be so much better if they just stayed home. It was really inconvenient to me! All I wanted was my Taco Salad. They could have sent someone to get the food & just take it home to them.

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    Come on Thai Guy. Have a heart for those kids who will look at this experience as possibly the best thing that every happened to them!
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    Hey, I'm just jumping on the bandwagon here:


    Carpe Diem: "These kids shouldn't be cleared to be stationed overseas..."


    jlynn: "if you have a kid that is so allergic that even just a chance of smelly it gets you sick, then do not allow that kid to be around others"


    Wilson: "KEEP THAT KID OUT OF THE YOUTH CENTER"



    Irony is a wonderful thing. Read my earlier post to see what I really think. But if we ban kids with allergies, then why not isolate the handicapped? Oh, and while we're at it I don't really want other kids around who aren't as smart as my kid. They only slow down classroom instruction, and why should my kid be punished because yours isn't quite as bright?

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    Wow...seems like the conversation is getting a little off point. I don't think keeping kids with severe allergies away from other kids via sitting at a different table is isolating them. It's protecting them from possible contanimation from other children's lunches. (rolls eyes)

    What we should be doing is teaching proper food handling techniques and washing your hands before and after eating. Have you seen how kids eat? Yuck!

    Why should a group of kids be affected by 1 person?

    My husband has a severe pork allergy. When I want to eat it I cook his food separetely and then eat mine with pork. I'm very careful about cross contamination and let him know foods that contain it.  I don't deny myself of it because he can't have it.  I have an olive oil allergy. He does the same with me.

    When I go to a resturant I notify the workers I can't have olive oil. Does that mean I should be banned from the resturant? No. Should I make them stop serving olive oil because I want to eat there? No.

    I either ask the cooks to cook my food separtely, get something that doesn't have the offending allergen or don't eat there. My choice. But I would not make the whole resturant ban olive oil because I can't eat it! That would be ridiculus.

    Now I am an adult so I understand your point that a little child wouldn't have that awareness. 

    I worked in camps where we had to know which kids can't eat what but they know it also. So they either brought their own snack or didn't eat. Which was their choice. We tried to provide for them and be aware, but it's also important for them to know of their own uniqueness.

    You cannot protect your kids from everything. It's impossible. I'm just very frustrated that today's culture is so "gotta protect the kids so ban everything!" attitude that they aren't letting kids live anymore. Hmm...here's something to think about...are kids getting more and more allergies because we're overprotecting them?

    Yes we have to be aware of others needs. But we also need to stop overprotecting our kids and let them grow up and make mistakes.

    Oh and Thai guy your humour made me laugh. At least I'm assuming you're joking.

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    Hypothetical - My child is allergic to dairy, so no more dairy products for any DOD school or the youth center. Or any food made with a dairy product. My other child is allergic to sunlight, so they must black out all the windows and no child is allowed to play outside because I don't want my child to feel left out.

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    Hypothetical
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