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    Japan Apologizes To South Korea For Colonial Rule

    TOKYO (AP) -- Japan apologized Tuesday to South Korea for its colonial rule over the country, seeking to strengthen ties between the two countries ahead of the 100th anniversary of the Japanese annexation of the Korean peninsula.

    During Japan's occupation from 1910-45, many Koreans were forced to fight as front-line soldiers, work in slave-labor conditions or serve as prostitutes in brothels operated by the military. Older Koreans still remember atrocities committed by Japan, and the issue remains sensitive decades later.

    http://ap.stripes.com/dynamic/stori...0-00-11-13

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    During Japan's occupation from 1910-45, many Koreans were forced to fight as front-line soldiers, work in slave-labor conditions or serve as prostitutes in brothels operated by the military. Older Koreans still remember atrocities committed by Japan, and the issue remains sensitive decades later.



    this is  Fabricated articles

    anyway  stupid prime minister.  I m annyoyed


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    "Fabricated"? How so?

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    it may not be fabricated, they may just don't know the fact

    why Korea was annexed by Japan. because Korea didn't work as state.
    it was said that Korea is the one of most poorest country and dirtiest country at that time

    Kaya university in korea, professor Che Keiho say in his book

    "it was absolutely impossible to modernize Joseon (Korea) on its own
    all I want to say now is Japan modernized Korea"

    "after the japanese-sino war and through the time of the Japanese-Russo war. however, Koreans have been claiming that if Japan hadn't annexed them, and they'd tried a modernization by themselves without Japan's support,
    they should've been able to make it through

    it's nothing but an outright fantasy but they melded things like it into their history.

    from 500,600 handred years ago, in Korea then, Lee Seonggye founded the Joseon(korea) dynasty
    he'd been a military commander before he founded Josseon. He abolished ancient traditions such as Buddhism
    he introduced Confucianism and Neo-Confucianism, then washed out Buddhism.

    after having gotten lost within only Confucianism and Neo-confucianism, people began to talk about only hollow theories.
    they lied from morning till night. it was an inevitable social phenomenon. in those days difference in social standing
    between Yangbans(korean Nobilities) and other people was serious. People called Yangban didn't work at all and spent most of time, for hollow theories from morning till night . even though being just lazy , they were free to squeeze crops, out of ordinary people or farmers.

    in Edo era of Japan under the Tokugawa government,
    people often said "if you won't work, you shan't eat." and actually worked hard.
    under the domain system, domains competed with each other, for an industrial dovelopment and an economic growth.

    but in Jeosen(korea), they lived in idleness with nothing to do. put simply, it was like, "if you'll work, you shan't eat."
    only who didn't work at all got enough food and all who worked were despised.
    so, there was no commerce of industry

    then why did they despise commerce and industry ? because they thought a merchant a thief,
    selling things at a higher price than an initial cost for a margin. they thought a manufacturer a mere slave,
    selling a product at high price despite its cheap material or ingredient.
    however hard they worked, yangbans took everything away from them

    an economy could never have grown in that state of society
    and they broke down the bridges across Hangang, Geumgang and other rivers.
    they didn't construct a road. they were afraid of a road making in easy for enemies to get to them
    and annihilate them.

    Lee Seonggye destroyed his homeland Goryeo that had been famous, as the great democratic dynasty.
    then, he changed their colonial mater to china , afterwards, Joseon turned to the totally haphazard country.
    for instance, they didn't construct any infrastructure. and most of smart people insisting on a road construction for an economy growth were executed."

    American Orientalist , Author and congregational preacher William Elliott Griffis (1843-1923)
    said in his book "Corea and the Hermit nation"

    P262 "Korean architecture is in a very primitive condition. the castles ,fortifications, temples, monasteries
    and public buildings cannot approach in magnificence those Japan or China"

    p440 "the Korean rustic is , as a rule. illiterate, Probably only about four out of ten males of the farming class can read either chinese or Korean, but counting in the women it is estimated that about eighty-five percent
    of the people can neither read nor write "

    P150 "this is a good specimen of Korean vanish-work carried into history. the rough facts are smoothed over by that well-applied native lacquar, which is said to resemble gold to the eyes. the official gloss has been
    smeared over more modern events with equal success, and even defeat is turned into golden victory. "

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    around 1880 , Seoul Korea . this was the Capitol of Korea at that time



    after Korea was annexed to japan


    Isabella L. Bird (nineteenth-century English traveller and writer ) wrote in her book "korea and her neiborhood"
    she criticized Seoul at that time severely as the dirtiest city in the world

    korean people's average life span was improved in dramatic form by the rule of Japan,(24year old to 40 year old ).
    and the population of a korean peninsula doubled

    the illiteracy rate of a korean peninsula has been greatly improved by the education of Japanese goverment.

    the number of the public schoold in Korean peninsula
    1910: less than 100
    1944: 5213

    of course, women who are called sex slaves have not existed. Comfort women were mere prostitutes.

    United states government reported a japanes army comfort place in myitkyina.north Burma after the WW2 as following.

    "comfort women's parents were usually indebted as much as 300yen to 1000yen. but comparing with 1000yen to 2000yen what they earned par a month. it could be started that their parents' debt was as little as 300yen to 1000yen. their clients' monthly salaries were only around 15yen to 25yen in that period.
    their share within what they earned was around 40% to 60% . broker was all Korean. "

    "they were able to choose the clients and to decline servicing to whom they do not like. they lived in fairly good housing
    conditions. they could leave the place for korea as long as they made repayments for the debts"


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    So... what's your take on Nanking?

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    I've researched about Nanking incident also. it is still argue among the scholar . but Iris Chang's book just became very famous . people believed what she wrote in it without doubt. there are many many error and her fantasy in her book

    I recommand this book, if you are interested . Nanking massacre fact versus fiction
    http://www.amazon.com/Nanking-Massa...530&sr=1-1

    alleged nanking massacre
    http://www.ne.jp/asahi/unko/tamezou...pter4.html

    journalist Timothy M. Kelly book review rape of nanking
    http://www.edogawa-u.ac.jp/~tmkelly...nking.html

    I said , "women who are called sex slaves have not existed" but I didn't say japanese soldiers didn't rape at all.
    I think some guys may raped them . so what ? it is normal in the war . it is not incident only in japanese military

    just they blame us "japanese military kidnapped 20,000 30,000 women from our vilage and rape them blablabla
    so I argue against their lie


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    Testimony is only testimony. Not all of testimonies are evidences.

    Testimony is always required proof. Testimony is always required rationality and credibility. We can describe only ‘testimonies which have been supported by rationality and credibility’ as personal evidences (antonym: physical evidences). A man tends to believe whatever he wants. We should always hear their testimonies from an objective perspective.

    As you may know, public sentiment against Japan in China is very strong. Such strong sentiment against Japan is called “Anti-Japanese Sentiment”. Why do you think the Chinese people have such a deep-seated antipathy toward Japan? I suppose you will answer as follows, “Because various historical issues cause the Chinese people to hold anti-Japanese sentiment.”

    However, Japan is actually the largest aid donor to China. Japan has been giving technology and economic aid to China since 1979. The aid volume from Japan to China over the past 28 years amounts to fifty seven billion US dollars. But the Chinese Communist Party never informs its people about Japan’s aid and purposely keeps this information from them. Therefore, there are only a few Chinese people who know about Japan’s aid. Additionally, the Chinese Communist Party conducts top-to-bottom Anti-Japanese Education on school children. The Chinese Communist Party makes school children hate Japan through history education as a policy.

    Surprisingly, the history education is based on the war-time propaganda that was used when China fought against Japan during the Sino-Japanese war 70 years ago. The Japanese media obtained a teachers’ manual for history education. In this teachers’ manual, the mental attitude toward history education and the method of teaching are written in minute detail. And more, footage of demonstration classes is attached to this teachers’ manual, too.

    For example, the Nanking Massacre. According to this teachers’ manual, teachers must show children many photos of Nanking Massacre and point out the brutality and barbarity of the aggressive war that Japanese imperialism committed. Teachers must impress upon children a deep-seated grudge against Japan by showing scenes of mass murder on an unimaginable scale. China exports Anti-Japanese Education to the world and implants an irrational prejudice against the Japanese people.China is pushing black propaganda of the Nanking Massacre using 143 photos around the world. However, all 143 photos that China is presenting have been revealed to the entire world as fake, fabricated, or utterly irrelevant to the Nanking Massacre. Putting aside the argument of whether or not there was a massacre in Nanking, the fact remains that there is not a single photo that proves that there was a massacre. Especially if the photos were presented in a modern-day court of law. I speak out, “Anti-Japan” is China’s national policy. Japan is the imaginary enemy of China. Why do you think the Chinese Communist Party holds such a policy?

    If you look back over the modern history of China, the Tiananmen Square incident happened in 1989. 1989 is the year that socialist countries turned toward democratization one after another in Eastern Europe. The Chinese Communist Party feared the worst-case scenario then. The worst-case scenario was the collapse of the single-party regime in China. The Chinese Communist Party needed to turn the attention of the Chinese people away from democratization to a foreign enemy. So, Japan was set up as an imaginary enemy in around 1994. At the time, Jiang Zemin was the state president of China. The Chinese Communist Party started conducting top-to-bottom Anti-Japanese Education in around 1994.

    Therefore, the younger generation of Chinese has aggressive and hostile feelings toward Japan. The Chinese people’s Anti-Japanese sentiment became known to the Japanese people in around 2004. When Japan’s national soccer team went to Chongqing in China, Chinese fans booed Japan’s national anthem and threw plastic bottles and other items at Japanese supporters.

    And in April 2005, Anti-Japanese riots broke out in various regions of China all at once. With these Anti-Japanese riots as a beginning, the existence of Anti-Japanese Education became known through Japanese media. In today’s Japan, the trend of growing nationalism started as a reaction to the Chinese people’s Anti-Japanese sentiment.


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    That's about what I thought.

    And Bataan?  The Burma-Thailand railroad?

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    I see. Because Korea was governed so poorly, the Koreans were blessed by the Japanese with superior administration and development. How beneficent of the Japanese to graciously give such a gift to the Koreans. The Koreans should show gratitude. Such a delusional attitude expresses a complete detachment from reality. Denial of history does not change it.

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    I thought next question is " what about unit 731? " lol

    I can answer your question but i won't , because it is nonsense. But I think bataan is very unfortunate thing.
    pick up these incident and emphasize Japanese military and soldier were evil.

    i already posted about
    United states government reported a japanes army comfort place in myitkyina.north Burma after the WW2

    then I want you to read this book, Susan brownmiller "against our will, men, women and rape "
    http://www.amazon.com/Against-Our-W...0671220624

    it is writen samething what she saw in vietnamees comfort house in Vietnam war.

    and this article from newspaper

    Ex-Prostitutes Say South Korea and U.S. Enabled Sex Trade Near Bases
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/w...korea.html


    so I suggest why don't japan and america apologize to comfort women together ?





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    Posted By Hideyoshi on 13 Aug 2010 12:18 AM
    I see. Because Korea was governed so poorly, the Koreans were blessed by the Japanese with superior administration and development. How beneficent of the Japanese to graciously give such a gift to the Koreans. The Koreans should show gratitude. Such a delusional attitude expresses a complete detachment from reality. Denial of history does not change it.

    “Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it.” - Edmond Burke


    The cold war posturing between America and China allowed Japan to escape much of the public censure and reparations that Germany went through.  This is the fruit that such short-sighted political maneuvering bore.  Unfortunately we've learned that you can't really reason with Holocaust deniers.  Too much of their ego and self-identity is wrapped up in being "right" even in the face of all evidence to the contrary. 

    The harder you try to convince them otherwise the greater their persecution complex grows. 


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    not only China and Korea.
     Indonesia , Palau , Taiwan etc, those countries were also colonies of Japan.

    only Chinese and Korean hates Japan very much, why? because of their traditional thoughts Sinocentrism

    Sinocentrism is any ethnocentric perspective that regards China to be the center of civilization which is superior to all other nations. this took the form of viewing China as the only civilization in the world, and foreign nations or ethnic groups as "barbarians" of different degrees, a distinction known in Chinese as the Hua-Yi distinction

    so Chinese say China is father , Korea and Japan are their son .
    korea say China is Father , we are their son , Japan is our young brother.
    Japan used to be called Barbarian by china and korea

    but in Reality, they became japan's colonies
    besides, Japan has many cultures that is famous around the world
    like a sushi,samurai , cherry blossom, kendo,judo, kimono, geisha etc etc
    though Japan lost war, Japan became very wealthy .

    if you think about Korea, what do you think of . tae-kwon-do , kimuchi....what else?

    they were hurt their pride by those reality

    so even if Japan apologize them 100times, 1000times. they won't forgive us.

    current japanese government's cabinet are very liberal and Japanese liberal are apology fetish
    maybe Japanese will be taken honored and fortune from them as it is

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    Clarification: Japan apology story

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...TE=DEFAULT

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    both japanese and korean government are stupid

    in 1965, Japan payed korea 5 hundred-million. at that time Japan had 18 hundred million , foreign exchange reserve
    korea had only 1 hundred million . Japan gave korea a lot of money and ↓

    The 1965 Treaty of Basic Relations between Japan and South Korea also declared that

    "It is confirmed that all treaties or agreements concluded between the Empire of Japan and the Empire of Korea on or before August 15, 1945 are already null and void."






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    SHANGHAI 1937 AFTER JAPANESES BOMBING RAID

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    EUROPEAN RIGHTWINGERS VISIT YASUKUNI
    It never really goes away does it? The world must be vigilant to prevent it's reoccurrence.

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    For all his incredible accomplishments - being president certainly not the least of them - in my opinion the most important decision that General Eisenhower made was to order the recording and preservation of all the details regarding the Holocaust.

    MacArthur, unfortunately, was no Eisenhower.

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    Eisenhower was a Pentagon protege of George Marshall. For all his attributes, he was not an accomplished commander of armies on the battlefield. MacArthur was the consummate field general. When you're fighting a war, you need MacArthurs and Pattons. Eisenhower's key contribution to WW2 was his melding together of the U.S., British and other Allied Forces into a cohesive force capable of defeating the NAZIS. So, MacArthur was no Eisenhower and Eisenhower was no MacArthur.
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