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After spending several hours unsuccessfully searching for an anonymous way to bring this incident to the attention of someone who can/will take appropriate action, I have come here looking for advise. It was reported that numerous MCCS employees and MCAS Iwakuni patrons witnessed the MCCS Iwakuni Director commit an outrageous and inexcusable act at the Semper Fit Ironworks Gym located aboard MCAS Iwakuni, Japan this past Saturday morning, August 7th, 2010. It is alleged that the Director wanted to use a particular locker at the gym because the locker number held some special meaning to him. When the Director discovered that it was already in use by a patron, he had bolt cutters brought and proceeded to cut the lock off, remove the contents, and place his own things in the locker. The patron, an active duty Marine, returned from showering after his workout to find his lock ruined and his belongings thrown on a bench in the locker room. The Director reportedly kept saying to everyone, “Do you know who I am? Do you know who I am? My picture is posted everywhere!”. These allegations should be investigated immediately and appropriate action taken if proven to be true. As MCCS patrons, my husband and I are outraged that any MCCS employee, particularly the Director himself, would place their own personal, petty desires above an active duty service member’s needs. As an MCCS employee, I am extremely embarrassed by this incident and saddened by the poor impression of MCCS that will be left as a result. I am also mortified that many careers are in the hands of this person who has demonstrated such a lack of regard for customers and employees alike and whose judgment is obviously impaired.


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08-09-2010 8:10 PM
Sounds like a situation to be put on ice and I mean the Interactive Customer Evaluation website. There are several different departments listed and you should complain about this to one of them. I personally suggest Station Judge Advocate who can start an Investigation and forward it up the chain of command or perhaps you could complain to MCCS HR who would do the same, but since you are alleging the MCCS Director then I would choose the Judge Advocate. Here is the link to that particular area and the link to ICE for Iwakuni. Take note that whatever you write there it will be read by many in the chain of command to include a CNFJ representative so be PROFESSIONAL. http://ice.disa.mil/index.cfm?fa=se...gory_id=33 http://ice.disa.mil/index.cfm?fa=site&site_id=94

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08-09-2010 9:12 PM

Rusty,

Very unprofessional for him to cut the lock like that.

Some people may acquire personal flaws when they reach leadership positions as he had. I think it could of been handled several different ways, and it doesnt look like it was.

If he felt that strongly over the locker, I would of recommended, that he put a small sign, or engraving on the locker, stating reserved for director, or may it just say reserved and thats all, so his name wasnt getting blasted.

A lot better than it getting blasted on JB and this situation getting noticed.

Hope you can submit and get a resolution from ICE. Do you know the personal that this happened to that was active duty? I think if anything, that individual needs an apology for him getting his lock cut. Just my 2cents..

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08-09-2010 10:14 PM
I'm sure once this obvious abuse-of-power gets reported to either the CMC, XO, or CO, this guy will be reprimanded or fired.

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08-09-2010 10:48 PM
My question is, why are you so intent on remaining anonymous? If you are certain you're doing the right thing (and it sounds like you are) then step up and don't be afraid. I seriously doubt that the director of MCCS can hurt your husband's career, and if he can & does then you have a much bigger & more serious allegation to go after. Don't be afraid! I will tell you without a doubt that if you submit your allegation anonymously on ICE it will be disregarded. They are flooded with comments and complaints each day, and they have been known to say that if the submitter won't care to put their name down & take ownership, then they won't take the time to follow up. It's just too easy to take potshots from behind a tree.

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08-09-2010 11:25 PM
ThaiGuy, sounds like she is an MCCS employee herself, so I'm sure she'd be afraid of reporting it in person because of her own job. I don't blame her at all, honestly. So what they need to happen is the Marine to step forward that this happened to. To not be able to wait for the locker to become vacant and take bolt cutters to it. Wow. I hope this isn't just swept under the rug.

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08-09-2010 11:40 PM
Yeah, I hadn't thought about her being an MCCS employee. Agree, that can be scary. I expect she was not a witness since this was in the men's locker room, therefore it was heresay. You really need a first-person witness to step up which would probably be her fellow employees. I supposed a Fraud, Waste & Abuse complaint would be appropriate, and you are protected when you file such a report. There are posters on how to do this in the employee lounge and around the base. BTW, I too am in Iwakuni and I too had my lock cut recently. I can't complain cuz I was late in paying my locker fee. But when I came to pay, I found they had bagged up all my locker contents (including the cut lock) and had it stored securely somewhere. So I felt at least I was treated fairly. Bummer about this Marine that got dumped on like that.

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08-09-2010 11:45 PM
I personally would go to the base commander. If someone anyone even in a high ranking position does something like that it hurts morale. Morale can hurt everyone. And by the sounds of it the gossip is spreading as I type. Its better to have this guy removed completely than to let what he has created continue. This is going to force alot of people out of the gym because they dont want to deal with it. Even more so the single guys who are here and dont have a family can feel less supported. And lets face it if this guy was active duty he is priority number 1! There would be no gym and no job for the director if the active duty member wasnt there.

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08-10-2010 2:47 PM
Not knowing anything about the participants involved I just want to say that there is just something about this that doesn't ring true. It feels like only half the story and an exaggerated one at that.

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08-10-2010 3:12 PM
I agree with Rea. A MILITARY base has facilities to support the MILITARY members. Not their dependents, and definitely not some civilian worker.

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08-10-2010 6:11 PM
Allan, I can certainly understand your skepticism as I too couldn't at first believe what I had been told, even though it was by a trustworthy coworker with close ties to the staff at the gym. I was sure there must be something more to the story or some kind of misunderstanding but enough people witnessed the incident to convince me that it must be substantially true as related to me. I've personally seen enough things swept under the carpet here that almost nothing would surprise me anymore. I did not witness this incident first hand but the seriousness of the allegation certainly warrants an investigation, either to confirm or deny the incident actually occurred. Anyone familiar with MCCS Iwakuni knows that over 40 employees, most senior including the former Director and Deputy Director, have been fired/replaced over the past several months.

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08-10-2010 9:23 PM
Wow, that's amazing. I'm over one year in iwakuni and have been generally pleased with MCCS services during that time. One of these days I'd love to sit down with you to hear all the gossip, though perhaps it's better not to post it online. I had no idea there was such such an uproar in our MCCS world.

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08-17-2010 8:38 AM
All-the key sentence is, "It was reported that numerous MCCS employees and MCAS Iwakuni patrons witnessed " Being at MCAS Iwakuni, I am going to take it upon myself to speak with the staff and get the facts from those present. This is pretty out of character for the MCCS Director, I am pretty sure that the circumstances were taken out of context. Will keep you all posted, my nature is to search for primary data and get to the source prior to drawing conclusions-remember the "telephone game?"

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08-17-2010 2:08 PM
I once again will disagree with KeithJ. Military bases do provide services to the dependents. If they did not they would not allow us to live on bases or give us I.D. Cards and move us around the world to support our Sponsoring Service Member. I know, I know, you "weren't issued blah blah blah in your seabag". The topic was about abuse of power, not abuse of dependents.

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08-17-2010 2:27 PM
Intersting update to this posting...upon speaking with the source, the locker given to the MCCS Director was empty and the Marine previously assigned that locker had been gone for over a year! The Director did not reclaim his locker, nor was he bothered that his lock had been cut and locker re-assigned. About the only element of truth to those who communicated the story to the blogger was that he was at the gym that day and got a new locker. I will share that several new MCCS personnel arrived in Iwakuni December 2009 to bring about positive change, it was great to read that there are residents that are pleased with the services-that continues to be the goal. When in doubt, go to the source, good thing an unsubstantiated comment like this did not make it past the blog...someone would be very embarassed.

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Posted By tulipsonly on 17 Aug 2010 02:08 PM I once again will disagree with KeithJ. Military bases do provide services to the dependents. If they did not they would not allow us to live on bases or give us I.D. Cards and move us around the world to support our Sponsoring Service Member. I know, I know, you "weren't issued blah blah blah in your seabag". The topic was about abuse of power, not abuse of dependents. My ID card says, "Authorized Patronage: Exchange, Commissary, MWR." I would argue that if I'm authorized to patronize those places (and the gym falls under MWR), I am also authorized to complain when they treat me like crap. We may not have been issued, but happy dependents make for happy sponsors, which makes for better morale, which means better productivity, which means a better Navy. Family members are not merely a level above pond scum and there's no reason for so much vitriol aimed at them, unless someone's bitter and cranky by nature.

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08-19-2010 12:02 AM
I figured I'd be taken out of context. Oh well, I don't care enough to explain myself right now. Maybe later.

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08-19-2010 1:52 AM
Posted By KeithJ on 19 Aug 2010 12:02 AM I figured I'd be taken out of context. Oh well, I don't care enough to explain myself right now. Maybe later. You always bring it up. We understand that you have issue with "dependents". Maybe you could just start a topic all on its own for you to rant. Then we "baggage" can just stear clear of it and we can all be happy. What a novel idea.

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Posted By tulipsonly on 19 Aug 2010 01:52 AM Posted By KeithJ on 19 Aug 2010 12:02 AM I figured I'd be taken out of context. Oh well, I don't care enough to explain myself right now. Maybe later. You always bring it up. We understand that you have issue with "dependents". Maybe you could just start a topic all on its own for you to rant. Then we "baggage" can just stear clear of it and we can all be happy. What a novel idea. Actually, I don't mind dependents. I just don't like the obnoxious ones. They seem to share the feeling. How bout we get back on topic now, okay pumpkin?

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08-19-2010 5:48 PM
Note to all: Debating with KeithJ is like p!ssing into the wind. It may warm things up for a moment, but ultimately it's not very productive. Just let him spew, then go on and read the next post. As alluded to in his tagline, he's out to offend most anyone, so don't give him the satisfaction. To Iwakuni Civilian (and Rusty, the OP): Welcome to the forum. I was starting to think I was the only 'kuni-ite to ever join this board. Maybe now we can enjoy more local topics.

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08-20-2010 12:43 AM
now that thaiguy has said his peace, let me explain it in detail. military bases were originally intended for ships and the personnel who fill the billets to crew these ships. this is what the navy is all about. it's the basic premise. you go on a ship, you go out to sea, and you defend the freedom of those who otherwise are completely unappreciative of it, regardless. they're still american, and they're entitled to all their freedoms. whether it's the mother of your children, or a member of the westboro baptist church, they are one and the same. they are american. am i wrong? mrs. captain? mr. retired?

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08-20-2010 1:10 AM
The purpose of a military is to fight war. That should be our only goal. Kill the enemy before they kill us. Am I missing something?

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08-20-2010 8:55 AM
Sorry Keith, wrapping those opinions of yours in the flag and serving it with a heaping side of patriotism doesn't make you any less of an ass.

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08-20-2010 10:16 AM
True. It's ok, I was just waiting for the right post to be a douche. I've been lurking for a while, and the site has been pretty boring with all this family-friendly b.s.

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Posted By KeithJ on 20 Aug 2010 01:10 AM The purpose of a military is to fight war. That should be our only goal. Kill the enemy before they kill us. Am I missing something? I will challenge you on this. If the only goal was fight & kill we'd be doing pre-emptive nuclear strikes on a weekly basis (to counter that grave and gathering danger around the world.) Certainly if you fight you want to win (overwhelmingly). But the best use of the military is to not have to fight at all. That's what known as "show of force", the long arm of diplomacy. Works 99% of the time, and the other 1% is called war. Simply plopping US forces in Japan (or Korea or Turkey) is an effective show of force. Besides keeping our forces closes to the potential scene of action, it makes it less likely that a rational foe would attack our allies, since a tangible result would include an attack on US forces. Of course, some opponents these days are not rational, so that complicates things. You simply cannot operate a forward-deployed, all-volunteer force without bringing families along. That would so reduce your willing pool of volunteers, or increase churn, or require an outrageous pay scale that ultimately it's just easier, cheaper & more humane to bring the families along. It's not a decision by the Pentagon to be "nice"; it's an operational necessity and as such, families need to be properly provided for. Or not. What do I know?

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08-20-2010 4:40 PM
I agree with you on that, but it really irritates me when dependents act like the base is there for THEM. Perfect example, and I was actually wanting to create a thread on this. On our command PT days, the basketball courts at purdy gym look like a day care center. Now, I'm not gonna knock anyone for getting in the gym and getting themselves in shape, but is it that hard to find someone to watch your kids for an hour while you go to the gym? We've actually had to cancel/cut short our PT sessions to make way for the dependents. I thought these facilities were mainly for the active duty members.

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08-20-2010 4:57 PM
If we're not careful, we'll run the hazard of agreeing on something. If there is unit PT, your unit should have reserved the facilities & in fact should have priority over non-unit events. Short of making advance arrangements, I'd say all authorized users have equal priority & I don't knock parents for not getting day care. It's not as easy as you might think, it gets expensive, and nothing wrong with hanging around the kids as long as they're supervised.

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08-20-2010 5:11 PM
Yea, but I figure they could just get a neighbor or something to watch the kiddie(s) for a little bit. I don't have kids, so I don't know how difficult it would be.

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08-20-2010 5:32 PM
Iwakuni Civilian: I have yet to get a response or the "official" version of what actually happened through my channels though I will certainly be relieved if the version given by your source turns out to be the truth. Still, I find it hard to believe that my coworker could have been so far off considering her closeness to the first hand witness, her trustworthiness, and the lack of any apparent motivation that I am aware of to slander the Director. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the seriousness of the allegation certainly warrants an investigation, if for no other reason than to disprove them and hold responsible the one that falsely accused the Director, assuming of course that the real truth doesn't lay somewhere in the middle like is normally the case.

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Posted By KeithJ on 20 Aug 2010 12:43 AM now that thaiguy has said his peace, let me explain it in detail. military bases were originally intended for ships and the personnel who fill the billets to crew these ships. this is what the navy is all about. it's the basic premise. you go on a ship, you go out to sea, and you defend the freedom of those who otherwise are completely unappreciative of it, regardless. they're still american, and they're entitled to all their freedoms. whether it's the mother of your children, or a member of the westboro baptist church, they are one and the same. they are american. am i wrong? mrs. captain? mr. retired? Uhhhhh, excuse me, Pumpkin, but weren't you the one who is always accusing dependants of wearing their husband's rank. Don't put that on me. I am Mrs....... period. I've never used rank as I am not in the service. But I'm very happy to support my husband and ALL the service members in any way that is appropriate. THAT sir, is what dependants do. I'm sure with your attitude of mayheim and distruction you're not wearing much silver on your shirt.................. . Great leaders command with a whisper. People WANT to follow them because they have repect that comes from trust. People like you just make noise, it's like passing gas.

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08-21-2010 3:55 AM
Wow, without dependants and civilians who would ensure you had a gym, NEX, etc to go to. If we weren't around to assist at home and use base privilages, do you really think you would have them to go to. I don't think so, while you are out serving our country, we DEPENDANTS keep the homefront going and have EARNED the right to use these things. Yes some MALE & FEMALE dependants try to wear the spouses rank and do it wrong. But those of us who don't abuse it should not be accused of it.

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08-21-2010 5:15 AM
Tulips, you tried to pull your husband's rank on me before. Just a friendly reminder. How many times to I have to say this, without you retards taking me out of context.... I have no problem with dependents. I have a problem with dependents who act like their privileges are entitled to them.

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KeithJ. For the last time. I've never used rank as I don't have one. For the record. I have no idea what rank you hold, nor do I care. You have yet, to this day, gotten my HUSBAND's rank correct . And, I don't think anybody else cares what it is either. You throw your insults if you like. You show your ignorance regularly. It's fodder. Thank you.

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Posted By KeithJ on 21 Aug 2010 05:15 AM How many times to I have to say this, without you retards taking me out of context.... I have no problem with dependents. I have a problem with dependents who act like their privileges are entitled to them. KeithJ, I usually don't care what is said about dependants as I was one over 20 years ago, active duty 10 years ago and supported the military all my life, but I must offer you a little insight as to the words you use: Merriam-Webster defines privileges as : a right or immunity granted as a peculiar benefit, advantage, or favor ; especially : such a right or immunity attached specifically to a position or an office So essentially what you wrote contradicted yourself. A privilege is a RIGHT and as such "Entitled" to them. Now with that said, I believe that the facilities of the base are intended for all, with active duty having priority. Priority meaning head of line privileges when in uniform or when on official business. The UNIT PT you mentioned should have entitled your command's CFL a reservation of the gym facilities, but if he/she didn't do their due diligence to make reservations then deal with it. Kids at the Gym don't bother me as long as they are supervised, but HOW MANY TIMES ARE THEY? I have never seen a child there with supervision. So on this part of the (off topic) RANT, I am with you 100%.

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Wilson. Ahhhhhh, a man with debating skills BRAVO!

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Posted By tulipsonly on 24 Aug 2010 09:06 AM Wilson. Ahhhhhh, a man with debating skills BRAVO! I appreciate the compliment, but I didn't really take a side I merely pointed out facts about the posting. I guess I am more of an instigator in this case. But still, Thanks.

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Wilson! Welcome back! Nice to see you again.

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By the way, I plan on quoting you in the future when someone tries to pull that "earn your priveleges" crap. Thanks for educating me.

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Posted By KeithJ on 24 Aug 2010 09:49 AM Wilson! Welcome back! Nice to see you again. Keith, Appreciate it... I was expecting a retort though. You let me down or am I to assume it will be silent and from the depths? Anyway...I have been gone, but will try to keep up with the posts from now.

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Posted By Wilson on 24 Aug 2010 09:52 AM Posted By KeithJ on 24 Aug 2010 09:49 AM Wilson! Welcome back! Nice to see you again. Keith, Appreciate it... I was expecting a retort though. You let me down or am I to assume it will be silent and from the depths? Anyway...I have been gone, but will try to keep up with the posts from now. Ummm..... let me get caught up on some work real quick. All I can manage are short replies right now.

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Posted By KeithJ on 24 Aug 2010 09:51 AM By the way, I plan on quoting you in the future when someone tries to pull that "earn your priveleges" crap. Thanks for educating me. Ah, but keep in mind that in the Military privileges can always be revoked (leave, liberty, PAY). So be careful how you word the come back when speaking up the chain and be prepared when speaking down the chain. The right to leave was one of my favourite debates when I was active. My Sailors always tried to pull the "we have a right to leave" my response was, "Yes you do, but I have a right to chose when to approve it."

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08-24-2010 12:07 PM
Posted By Wilson on 24 Aug 2010 09:31 AM Posted By tulipsonly on 24 Aug 2010 09:06 AM Wilson. Ahhhhhh, a man with debating skills BRAVO! I appreciate the compliment, but I didn't really take a side I merely pointed out facts about the posting. I guess I am more of an instigator in this case. But still, Thanks. LOL, Wilson, I wasn't insinuating that you agreed with either side, only that you had skills in your technique when making a point. Just showing my appreciation for intelligent and effective debate.. I don't mind a difference of opinion, it is the delivery that offends me sometimes. But, I guess the forum is RANT about something isn't it. I just don't understand how someone can spew it but can't handle it when someone else disagrees. It shows the level of intelligence when that person gets personal. But, maybe I was wrong. Based on your last post about leave, maybe he was referring to YOU as Mrs. Capt. Ya think, lol.

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08-24-2010 1:12 PM
@Keith, So are you going to remain active on this board after you roll out of skimmer-ville?

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08-24-2010 1:24 PM
Of course. Someone's gotta keep things entertaining.

Warning: Eventually, I WILL say something that offends you. This is perfectly normal. My recommendation: get over it.

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08-25-2010 8:32 AM
This was funny to read.. Still curious about the director and the story though. Any new info?

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