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    Q: The other day I was riding my bike on the sidewalk heading out of Womble Gate. The MA2 on duty started lecturing all the bike riders about how you’re not supposed to ride on the sidewalks on base. That’s news to me, but I guess that’s what the Navy instruction said. Then he commenced to talk about Japanese law and that it is illegal to ride on the sidewalks off base? Is that true? Because if it is, millions of people are breaking the law. 質問:先日、ウォンブルゲートから出ようと自転車で歩道を走行していたのですが、当直の警備員に基地内で歩道を自転車に乗って走行することは違反であると説明されました。その件に関して初めて知ったのですが、海軍の規則なのでしょう。その後、同警備員に日本の法律でも歩道を自転車で走行することは違反であると聞きましたが、もし本当なら何百万人という人数が違反を犯しています。本当なのでしょうか。


    A: I just checked with Fleet Activities Civil Police. The correct answer is – it is illegal to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk in the Japanese community. However JPS does not enforce it. COMFLEACT does not exercise jurisdiction in the Japanese community, so we can only enforce the rules and regulations on the base. On base, it is in violation of COMFLEACT 5900.9K to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk. 回答:確認したところ、厳密には日本でも自転車による歩道の走行は違法ですが、日本の警察当局が強制していないとのこと。私たち基地の側では日本の社会に私たちの規則を強制することは不可能ですので、基地内では海軍及び基地の規則や規定を施行しております。自転車による歩道走行は、横須賀基地規定5900.9Kの違反に当たります。

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    Wow, there are a lot of violators on this base then! I've seen people remain on their bikes from one end of the sidewalk right on into a crosswalk and then continue on to the other sidewalk.

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    Actually, it is absolutely legal to ride on SOME sidewalks in the Japanese Community. These sidewalks, usually the really wide ones, have a blue sign that shows a person and a bicycle.

    The problem is that, when you give an inch, people take a foot. So now no one bothers to make the difference between the sidewalks where riding a bicycle is allowed and those where it is not. And, since the Japanese Police does not enforce any regulations (if you look the other way, the problem does not exist...), the situation is out of control. People ride their bicycle at full speed on sidewalks and the number of pedestrians getting hit by bicycles is increasing, especially among the elderly who cannot jump out of the way of incoming bicycles.

    Watch yourselves. Do not walk in the center of the sidewalk. Walk on either side of it, where either the barriers or the walls make it hard for anyone to ride a bike.

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    I meant to write "It is absolutely legal to ride bicycles..." It is never authorized to ride a motor bike on sidewalks in Japan.

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    This is a case where an unimportant MA has nothing else to do but find people and give them a hard time. It is sad when I see MA's doing things they are not supposed to do but do it anyway. A few examples. illegal parking at the CDC and Youth Center, talking on cell phone while driving. Yet this "guy" wants to yell at people riding their bikes on the sidewalk. I wonder if he ever thought that maybe they feel a little safer to ride on the sidewalk with the number of people that talk on their cell phones while driving!! Just a thought!

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    Everyone should strive to learn exactly what the Base rules and regulations are.  If you choose to ride a bicycle on Base, do so only after you are fully aware of how to safely operate your bicycle, where to safely operate your bicycle, and how Base roadway safety regulations apply to you and your bicycle.  Members of the Base Security Force are trained to help you, and it is their duty to address violations or infractions of base regulations at every opportunity.  While performing their duties, the Master At Arms is required to be courteous, respectful, yet stern, so as to ensure compliance and encourage cooperation.  In the case you have described, if you were courteous, respectful and cooperative, but the Master At Arms was not, then you should report the incident to the appropriate authorities on Base, as well as to your Division Officer at your work place.  Follow up on your report, to ensure that the report was brought to the attention of the proper individuals.  After looking into the matter a bit further, you may find that describing your Master At Arms as "Unimportant" may not be factual, and may even be unfair.  If, on the other hand, it is found that the Master At Arms has performed his or her duties improperly or unprofessionally, then your reporting efforts will have had a positive effect.  BE SAFE.

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    Tell 'em Senior...

    People got to realize... most laws are in place to protect someone. And most have been, to use the term, "written in blood". Someone got injured, etc...

    And you can't say "I see MA's doing things they are not supposed to do but do it anyway", when they are actually enforcing a base rule or regulation.

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    I'm pretty tired of the whining and bleeding about how hard people have things on base. Suck it up, shipmate. You know what gets me? The very un-military nature of this base. At the risk of repeating the lecture from _A Few Good Men_, you know why the MAs lecture ignorant idiots? It's because of the ignorant idiots. I would like to see MORE vehicle searches, MORE bag inspections, MORE MAs out there engaged with the military and other on this military base who cannot seem to either understand or follow the rules. This is the military. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

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    There are many, MANY people on base not following this rule. Something I'd like to add to the people following the rules: Signaling on a bicycle in Japan is done with the RIGHT hand.

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    This happened to me a couple of years ago (being chewed out by some MA2 near the Womble Gate). It was at that point that I decided that I was tired of living under martial law and would just walk. It's just too big of a hastle - you can't ride on the sidewalk, you have to wear a helmet like a child, take off your sunglasses coming in and out of the base, it sucks. And, of course, nobody check to see what's in your trunk, that's great security coppers!

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    Just try and ride on the street when possible, when not use ur bell.

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    This has never been a problem for me. When you register your bike they tell you the rules, as long as you follow them there should never be a problem. Mind you, I've only been riding my bike to and from work and occasionally off base for about a year and a half.

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    hah thats funny
    cause its illegal to ride your bike in teh street on yokota last i was told

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    Posted By FLSimages on 14 Mar 2010 09:55 PM
    hah thats funny
    cause its illegal to ride your bike in teh street on yokota last i was told


    This was posted in the "Yokosuka- official Q and A" Section

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    it is called IRONY

    chill
    and learn to quote posts

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    Before you talk down to me, perhaps you should pick up a dictionary and look up the word "irony".

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    Posted By FLSimages on 14 Mar 2010 10:04 PM
    it is called IRONY

    chill
    and learn to quote posts

    The quote has been fixed.

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    no need.
    like
    t you arent allowed to ride on the sidewalk, but yokota isnt allowed to ride on the road?
    its just wtf really?

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    I could agree with a "WTF", but it's not ironic. The laws in EVERY state I've ever lived in would not allow anyone over 16 to ride on the sidewalks. It was never enforced very well, but it was a law none the less. The helmet law, however I don't necessarily agree with, but I wear one as per base instructions.

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    lolz at not agreeing with something that can save your life.
    ive seen it happen, but that is here nor there

    its just amazing that with all the japan wide regulations, they cant standardize something as little as where to ride a bike.
    they can damn sure not let me on yokosuka with a broken windshield, but the fat ass dependent wives that never leave base and have a tarp over the back of their 300.00 broken down ass gunnyvans can drive around all day

    i hate the stuipidity of the MPs on all the bases

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    Just because he doesn't agree with it, doesn't mean he's not following it anyway. He knows it can save his life. Seriously, stop nit-picking EVERYTHING...

    And you need to quit insulting people. The MPs are doing their job, you shouldn't be driving with a broken windshield. It's dangerous for you and others around you. And I know for a FACT that the wives around here aren't "fat asses". Get off your high horse.
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    FLS. You are all over the place on this topic.

    FLS Self Prophacy =

    "irony is wasted on the stupid"

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    Posted By Amber on 15 Mar 2010 01:29 AM
    Just because he doesn't agree with it, doesn't mean he's not following it anyway. He knows it can save his life. Seriously, stop nit-picking EVERYTHING...

    And you need to quit insulting people. The MPs are doing their job, you shouldn't be driving with a broken windshield. It's dangerous for you and others around you. And I know for a FACT that the wives around here aren't "fat asses". Get off your high horse.

    dangerous?
    A cracked windhield is dangerous?
    When im going to the hobby shop to swap it out, but cant get on base to do it, how much sense does that make?
    I drive all the way from yokota, to yokosuka to fix said broken windshield, and they decide to say something about it, but not the other 5 times i was down there with it.

    And the MPs SELECTIVELY do their job. lets not get it confused with doing their job.

    and as for dangerous, im sure i can look at 80% of hte cars on ANY base and find dangerous things, I.E. blown suspension parts, worn bushings, tie rod ends worn, leaks, out of service tires.  On base vehicles are a menace to society

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    FLS, if your so dissatisfied with the "service" that you get from the Military establishment, take your "business" elsewhere.

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    Posted By WutUpWitDat on 14 Mar 2010 06:56 PM
    It was at that point that I decided that I was tired of living under martial law and would just walk.


    Having rules and regulations enforced, or being lectured about them, "is living under martial law"??? Comedy gold, right there.

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    Hey FLSimages, just Google it! Copied/Pasted, from just one of MANY sites. Refers to U.S. regulations. Japanese regs will differ slightly, but the message is the same:

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    "Aside from its obvious benefits like protection from wind and road debris the windshield is a critical part of your vehicle's safety. In fact, the windshield is classified as a safety device and is part of a vehicle's structural safety system. In an accident, it enables the passenger airbag to function and minimizes roof collapse.

    According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, more than nine percent of all accidents are from rollovers. Passengers who remain in the vehicle during a rollover accident are 25 times more likely to escape injury. To ensure a windshield will remain intact during a collision, it must be installed properly. Proper installation of a windshield involves more than 20 steps and can take anywhere from 40 minutes to more than two hours, said Steve Zweig, director of PPG Prostars, a nation-wide network of industry-certified auto glass technicians.

    There are techniques and federal regulations governing auto glass installation; therefore, it is imperative that when you need your windshield to be repaired or replaced, you find a repair center dedicated to the highest standards in the auto glass industry".
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    In a way, it's good that you can complain so loudly. One day, if you find yourself in need of immediate emergency assistance, your loud cries for help will summon Security Professionals to your side quickly, and, of course, they will help you in any way they can.

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    In a car with fia approved and mounted harnesses and pmsp,d1gp approved 12pt cage, prett sure at 40kph an hour whoever hits me would have been pissed. But alas I don't have the car anymore. It's in Ireland now

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    lolllllllllllllllllllllllllll! TOUCHE' Sonny.

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    So what the hell are you complaining about not being able to get on base with the car?!?!?! You don't even have it anymore!! WTF?!?!

    YOU MAKE NO SENSE!!
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    Hah whatever floats your boat.

    But it doesn't change the fact that mp, sp or whatever else is out there selectively do their job at their convenience, or mood.
    Even the jn guards

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    I have to comment on the helmets.
    I agree 100% that they should be worn. My hubby got into an accident off base and if he hadn't been wearing his helmet I hate to think what kind of state he would be in now. He smacked his head on the concrete so hard that even with the helmet, he was dazed. So c'mon, wear your helmets!

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    Someday, after FLSimages pops off to the wrong gate guard, and he's chewing pavement with what's left of his teeth, I'll be sure that he only got what was coming.
    This is a military base. Don't screw with security. They would be well-off to jack a few people up now and then just to make the point. Here in Japan we are MORE exposed than bases in the states, but you would never know it from our attitudes.

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    Posted By SonnyB on 14 Mar 2010 02:50 PM

    Everyone should strive to learn exactly what the Base rules and regulations are.  If you choose to ride a bicycle on Base, do so only after you are fully aware of how to safely operate your bicycle, where to safely operate your bicycle, and how Base roadway safety regulations apply to you and your bicycle.  Members of the Base Security Force are trained to help you, and it is their duty to address violations or infractions of base regulations at every opportunity.  While performing their duties, the Master At Arms is required to be courteous, respectful, yet stern, so as to ensure compliance and encourage cooperation.  In the case you have described, if you were courteous, respectful and cooperative, but the Master At Arms was not, then you should report the incident to the appropriate authorities on Base, as well as to your Division Officer at your work place.  Follow up on your report, to ensure that the report was brought to the attention of the proper individuals.  After looking into the matter a bit further, you may find that describing your Master At Arms as "Unimportant" may not be factual, and may even be unfair.  If, on the other hand, it is found that the Master At Arms has performed his or her duties improperly or unprofessionally, then your reporting efforts will have had a positive effect.  BE SAFE.

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    Seems this topic got out of hand for a bit.  But, thank you SonnyB for the input.  I just hope for those who choose to ride a bike are aware of the Base rules and regulations.  BE SAFE!

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    Y'all have your opinions and that's fine.  The fact remains that it's your choice to be here in Japan.  Those of you in the military swore your oath and that's the bottom line.  Civilians can pick up and leave whenever they want to, but they still agreed to abide by the rules.  "My house, my rules" is a fact.  Stupidity exists everywhere.  Not wearing a helmet or wearing one improperly is just stupid.

    Several years ago I had an incident on my bicycle where I had to move to avoid a passing large-ass truck, hit a larger than normal hole in  the drainage ditch cover which twisted my front wheel.  I went down on my left side and slammed my head on the concrete.  Had I not had my helmet on I'm sure the situation would have been much worse than a 6-hour headache.  My riding gloves also kept the gravel out of my palm.  It wasn't long after that that I quit riding on base...too many stupid people doing stupid things in their cars and on their bicycles.

    I have the soft copy of the the handout (in English AND Japanese) that's given to all who register their bicycles at CFAY Security.  The size prevents uploading but I will be more than happy to email the file to anyone who requests it. 

    As one of my mentors once told the division at quarters, "If yer gonna be dumb, ya gotta be tough!"  Don't be dumb!

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    Posted By haakondahl on 16 Mar 2010 12:37 AM
    Someday, after FLSimages pops off to the wrong gate guard, and he's chewing pavement with what's left of his teeth, I'll be sure that he only got what was coming.
    This is a military base. Don't screw with security. They would be well-off to jack a few people up now and then just to make the point. Here in Japan we are MORE exposed than bases in the states, but you would never know it from our attitudes.


    nah it wont
    i dont go to yokosuka anymore unless i absolutely have to.

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