It doesn't excuse the bad behavior with the high school kids, but if they would rescind the rules against having ADULT consenting women in your room, I think some of this would go away. Guys make poor decisions when they think high school girls is the only choice they have. The chance of a high school girl agreeing to sneak in your window is a lot higher than a military woman doing that or a Japanese woman agreeing to hide in your trunk, Im sure.

They used to do late night "fire drills" trying to screw people over who were having women overnight. So some guys would leave the girls hidden in the closet/under the bed while they went downstairs to muster. Imagine if that had been a real fire and not just a fake way to see who was in the rooms? Could have been a tragic loss of life. All this sneaking around and trickery required of an adult man just to get laid with adult woman, its crazy. I thought we enlisted in the Navy and moved out of Mommy's house to get away from all this having to sneak around?

Very much agree, Blacklabel.

And wooo, after reading that article these Sailorsare just crazy stupid if they're messing around with High Schoolers on base~

@Elizabeth, I think it is more the HS girls messing around with them than the other way around. When I was in HS, the girls my age were already "dating" 20-24 year old guys from the nearby colleges. Those dudes had houses, cars, jobs, things a 16 yr old boy didn't really have when he had to ask his Dad to borrow the car and be home by 11pm.

Girls blamed it on us guys not being "mature" enough for them, but call it what it is, they wanted guys who had access to alcohol, a bed, a paycheck and a mode of transportation. The maturity of those guys was no different than mine, just what things they had access to that I did not. I think it is the same thing here on base except the local college is "the Navy".

I read half of this string and it's blame this and blame that... the Navy has been destroyed by blame everyone except who is at fault. If a high school kid is with a sailor in the barracks, punish the high school kid and the sailor... but... only if one of them is under 18.. at 18 we can decide to join the military and die in Iraq..but, we can't decide to go in the barracks with a friendly... give me a break....

I do totally agree, Blacklabel. And Sailors are within walking distance here... hello!

I do think the kids should get in trouble, mangoat, 'specially if they're "older" High Schoolers. The teens should know better but they only have the punishment of their parents sitting on their shoulders.

A Sailor is a legal adult, and by that age should be mature enough to know that if you don't follow the rules, bad s*** is going to happen, their punishment deals with their whole life and job/career. If they play with fire knowing that their Chain of Command doesn't want it, there are set rules in place, it might not be legal to begin with (younger teens), etc, then F them.

That's why I put more blame on the Sailor. Heck, outside of the Military I always put the blame on the older, legal person. People have more rules and responsibilities when they turn 18, and if they can't handle that they should be punished according to the rules/law. Underagers always want to play because the older person has the perks, but just say no until they're 18. There's too much bad juju otherwise.

I think we should face the facts, most girls in high school start to get curious about sex...just the way it is....if you don't think so ask your girlfriend or wife how old was she when she lost her virginity; chances are she lost it to an older guy. A parent should definitely keep up with their kids whereabouts. As for the MA in security, if u know that a sailor is not performing his duties, your just as much at fault for not reporting them for sleeping on watch. NO EXCUSES, cuz your brave enough to post on this site but really try and fix the problem. I have been here for a while and I find it very hard to believe that something like this happens on a regular basis and not at least one sailor male or female reports that highschoolers are hanging out in the barracks. We've all seen how quickly people snitch on another here in Japan. Last but not least its not like the girls have a huge variety of guys to choose from....and as far as junior sailors who are teenagers....what do you tell a teen age boy, no matter sailor or choir boy a teenage guy only has one thing on his mind.

Something to remember.

Some teens are a bit vindictive torwards their parents and know that their behavior directly reflects upon their parents. Even more so for military brats. There was a MasterChief in Atsugi years ago who had a vindictive 16 yr old daughter that did everything she could to break all the rules. She went out in town to the clubs to get drunk and pick up sailors, then would purposefully get caught in the barracks to get herself and her parents in trouble. Not to mention the sailor that was caught in the middle. Many times she would pose as a new sailor to a command and party at the barracks with the guys. Eventually I believe she was sent back to the states after a rather HUGE incident. It's not always completely the sailors fault. I'm not saying they have no blame in it, but there are situations that need considering. Just my $0.02.

If the Sailor didn't know they were diddling around with an underage/HS girl, I understand (if you're full blown dating or have a suspicion, get that ID checked, though! You should know better). I don't feel bad if they got caught in the barracks room --I feel bad if the Sailor didn't know he was messing with a school girl.

Girls have to be careful of dating, yadda yadda, but you guys have to be careful of things like this. Checking IDs is a pain in the arse, but totally worth it. The "I didn't know she was that young/she looked old enough" isn't working anymore with the higher-ups.

OK, so I am going to throw in my comment. I have a daughter who is a Sophmore. She gets all sorts of unwanted attention from those 18,19 yr old sailors. Yup, it does go on, yes I have threatened to break knee caps before. Is it difficult ?, yes, they are very close in age, is it right ?, nope, does it go on YES. If we wanna start with something then how about the girls in high school who have become pregnant to sailors ?. It DOES go on and then it bring to light where the HELL ARE THE PARENTS????????. Dont they know what their kids are up to ? Dont they moniter what goes on with their kids on the net?.
As for the booze, they get it off base at places like the 711 or out of machines etc. Yup, my kid isnt perfect, they have been caught by security comming on base after doing it and were punished.
If we wanna go that route, what about the bars out there whi knowingly let these teens in ? I have seen the myspace pics, scary as all get out.

Posted By viperboy3 on 01 Feb 2010 11:51 PM

Military or not, older guys getting their jollies on younger girls isn't something new

And truth be told its the same for woman.

Don't freaking mess around with a guy who's in his 20's when you are friggin 15.

ya your right in saying that, because that would help sailors and teenagers alike stay outa trouble but the girls doing this WANT IT, and like previously stated they will do anything ie: sneak out. to get it, that whole post made by Julie to me seems totally F***ed up making it look like its always the "GUYS" fault.

Hahah I seriously just laughed out loud viper! Thank you! I needed that this morning!

My point was the girls put themselves in those situations BECAUSE they were at the party there ,pal! ( I'm thinking of saying *pal* the way Bruce Willis says it in Die Hard when he says " Welcome to the party, pal!")

THEY were at the frat parties, which all around made the loser frat guys AND the girls stupid. (Here viper I will break it down just for you!
The guys should not have let the girls into the frat house.
The girl should not have gone to the party.
Is it all on guys? Um, obviously not.

See how I didn't just put that all on the guys? Now undo your manties (that's man panties, btw!) and go have a great day! You aren't in jail for messing around with younger girls! Well, maybe you are I don't know but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt!

hahaha damn.

It can still be broken down to parenting. If the teenage girls and sailor boys were raised to be respectful, good citizens and taught good values, they wouldn't put themselves in that situation. I know kids can be taught those and not follow, but there are plenty of "good kids" out there who would turn their nose up and walk away if they were put in these situations. It would be great if we could teach our teens to be responsible about their lives instead of thinking getting drunk, laid and plastering it all over facebook is the coolest thing ever. Too bad we don't live in that dream world though.

Posted By Tirani on 02 Feb 2010 07:28 AM
It can still be broken down to parenting. If the teenage girls and sailor boys were raised to be respectful, good citizens and taught good values, they wouldn't put themselves in that situation. I know kids can be taught those and not follow, but there are plenty of "good kids" out there who would turn their nose up and walk away if they were put in these situations. It would be great if we could teach our teens to be responsible about their lives instead of thinking getting drunk, laid and plastering it all over facebook is the coolest thing ever. Too bad we don't live in that dream world though.

Exactly. Both sexes should get the whole " think before you act" mantra. Seriously, I feared my parents more than I feared the cops growing up. I knew not only would I be in a heap of trouble if I did something stupid, my parents would kill me, deny ever having a daughter and bury my delapidated bones in the Nevada desert.

Here is an interesting article on the teen brain and intelligence.

http://www.time.com/time/health/art...63,00.html


http://psychcentral.com/news/2006/11/15/why-adolescents-take-risks

Here is an example of this. Keep in mind my son is only 7. At school, he was shuffling in the dirt. He was told not to or he would have to sit out for 5 minutes. So he did it again and had to sit out. I asked him if the punishment was worth it. He said yes, that he would rather play in the dirt and get in trouble, than not play in the dirt and have free time. So he accepted that he would get punished. He was really rational while talking about it. I can remember doing the same when I was a teen. 'This will happen if you do that', and I would say ok, and just accept the punishment and take it. I think sometimes we forget what it's like to be a teen.

Posted By Tammy on 02 Feb 2010 07:59 AM
Here is an interesting article on the teen brain and intelligence.

http://www.time.com/time/health/art...63,00.html


http://psychcentral.com/news/2006/1...take-risks

Here is an example of this. Keep in mind my son is only 7. At school, he was shuffling in the dirt. He was told not to or he would have to sit out for 5 minutes. So he did it again and had to sit out. I asked him if the punishment was worth it. He said yes, that he would rather play in the dirt and get in trouble, than not play in the dirt and have free time. So he accepted that he would get punished. He was really rational while talking about it. I can remember doing the same when I was a teen. 'This will happen if you do that', and I would say ok, and just accept the punishment and take it. I think sometimes we forget what it's like to be a teen.

Tammy, that's a good point. I will say I am an adult, and I know if I eat that thin mint it's going to go straight to my thighs, but I still eat it. And another one.

You know those thin mints are worth the punishment!(whatever that may be)

I went to DODDS schools growing up overseas in the 80s. This was happeing back then too.
I think I'll stay away from this topic. Nothing good will come from anything I might say.

A Sailor is a legal adult, and by that age should be mature enough to know that if you don't follow the rules, bad s*** is going to happen, their punishment deals with their whole life and job/career

I agree that a Sailor is a legal adult but that sure has nothing to do with being mature if you think about it. Where do most of the sailors come from? HIGHSCHOOL! That doesn't mean all highschoolers are immature but for the most part most of them haven't been anywhere outside of home or had a job prior to being in the military.

Back to the topic. I lived in 3333 from '06 - '08 and we were allowed to have alochol in the rooms, albeit not enough to throw a party or anything, not that it matters. The doors on the sides were always used for entry and exit. I did it all the time but that's because it was more convenient for me with groceries. As for sneaking in unauthorized people, I'm sure it happened all the time. I never really saw highschoolers though. I saw a lot of Japanese women in the barracks but I don't see the harm in that.

When you have base housing so close to enlisted quarters, what do you expect? The highschool being so close to the galley doesn't really matter since most teens don't live at the highschool, know what I mean?

The CS's not doing their jobs and being observed by Security...well that seems like the pot calling the kettle black to me. I've seen plenty of times the Security van parked behind the dumpster and the MA's just hanging out at the smoke pit. I'm not talking for a few minutes...I'm talking for maybe 45 minutes to an hour.

People putting Japanese women in the trunks of the car happens for other reasons than being too lazy to sign them in or wanting them to stay overnight. I've known people at my last command to do it because they didn't have the proper ID. Hell, I knew an HM1 who escorted a Japanese girl (his wifes friend) on base (she didn't have ID). How he did it? He was a physical therapist for some of the MA's and the MA's on watch let it slide. So a Japanese local with no ID, got on base through the MAIN GATE! Talk about helping a shipmate out right?

Hey teenagers are freaking stupid, they dont learn until you beat them with a stick. In this case the offenders should be beaten until my moral improves...

OMG, ha ha. That's gonna take a lot of beatings.

I agree that a Sailor is a legal adult but that sure has nothing to do with being mature if you think about it. Where do most of the sailors come from? HIGHSCHOOL! That doesn't mean all highschoolers are immature but for the most part most of them haven't been anywhere outside of home or had a job prior to being in the military.

But that's the point, they should be mature, but we know some aren't (okay, a lot). So if they don't understand that it's no longer mommy and daddy grounding them, and that it's the repercussions of their job's rules and they just don't care, then they should be punished. It's time to learn you're not that little teenager anymore and you can't play around. time to wake up and smell the coffee, you joined the Military, FFS. Etc etc.

The High Schoolers aren't going to learn because all they're gonna get is a slap on the hand until they become the "adult".

As for the rest of your comment, I know it happens, but... D:

Its because of crap like this they will have a to catch a predator sting on base, this would clear out about 30% of the people on base lol.

Well, we could always do it "To Catch a Predator with Chris Hansen" style and weed out the real freaks.

I'm tellin you girl its coming lol. Then they are gonna get all biblical on that a - -